Posted on 06/15/2013 5:18:29 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
Complete title: ALERT: Chief Judge Of The United States District Court For DC Gives Leave Of Court To File Motions & Documents Providing Undeniable Evidence Of Obama’s Use Of A Stolen Social Security Number...
On June 13, 2013, Judge Lamberth Chief Judge for the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia gave leave of court to file 74 pages of motions and exhibits [embedded below] submitted by Attorney Orly Taitz in case 11-cv-402 Taitz v Astrue (Michael Astrue was the Commissioner of the Social Security at the time the case was originally filed, currently it is Carolyn W.Colvin)
This is significant, as the motions attached herein show that Barack Obama is using a stolen Social Security number of Harrison J. Bounel, born in 1890, immigrant from Russia, who is presumed to be deceased.
At the time the case was originally filed and heard, the plaintiffs did not have new information that became available recently. Such information includes recently released census data which shows Harrison J. Bounel being born in 1890, recent disclosure to the public of the 120 year SSA rule, which requires release of SS-5, Social Security original application of “extremely aged individuals”, meaning individuals of 120 years old or older without a consent of such individual and without a death certificate or any other proof of death, as well as recent report from Merlins Information Systems showing Barack Obama using both Bounel’s name and Social Security number in connection to his property at 5046 Greenwood in Chicago as late as 2009.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...
So am I. She borrowed a car from a friend of her mothers, according to Susan, and that means there's someone on Mercer Island who knows the answer to your question.
I think your question is why the founders made the qualification of President dependent on ‘natural’ law and less on man-made law. Man-made, or positive, law changes and can have conflicts, etc. Depending on it when it comes to life long loyalty is not wise.
But back to the practical question of ‘if he was Kenyan what is he now’. It would depend on what happened after the ‘family matter’ events of 1971. Or event during the events at the end.
If Obama was considered an Indonesian foreigner in 1971 and he had an Indonesian passport and no US passport (remember he came off his mother’s US passport in 1967! And there is no evidence he had a US passport after that until he is a Senator). So now you have an Indonesian minor who needs to immigrate to the US for whatever reason. But his legal parents are both Indonesian in the eyes of Indonesia law. So how does a child abandon or get abandoned by his legal parents and move to another country?
Possible answer: use BHO Senior as a ‘conduit’. He can ‘reclaim’ his name sake son (regardless of actual biology he is the father based on the 1964 divorce and possible create BC). One he does this frees Barry from any Indonesian ties and elminates Lolo and SADS as legal parents and guardians. Now Barry is Kenyan - the legal son (again) of a Kenya father. Likely during the month of December 1971 or early January 1972 Barry is then made a legal guardian of .... the Dunhams? Probably, maybe legally he is still Kenyan citizenship but under the care of an organization in charge of refugee foreign children (queue to Sven at this point) but ‘guardianship’ is given to the Dunhams. Who knows? No one has dug out the events of December 1971. But SOMETHING happened there and it seems Obama Sr was a key player. My theory is that he was in a ‘conduit’ role in 1971.
If i extended this theory further I would say somehow someway Obama leveraged his ‘foreignness’ to get into Oxy and to avoid filing a selective service form since a foreigner would not need to file one.
1971 was key event and period but has been mostly ignored.
Hmm, the interview said “nursing”. I doubt that!
And that is one of the main reasons all the people who have been approached for interviews refuse to give any. What to speak of yearbooks all being "lost" or otherwise unavailable.
Thank you. That fills in a couple of holes in my understanding. It is very clear that the Kenyan 0bama’s visit to HI in 1971 was very important and necessary for Zero’s life to go forward legally. It also brings up the point of who was paying for all this international travel and upkeep? Hmm.
I do remember reading that Zero had no US passport until he became a Senator. So what nation’s passport and thus nationality was he using when he went to Kenya in (around?) 1983? Or Pakistan and also IIRC India, or was it the Hyderabad in Paki (maybe there was some confusion about whether he also visited India) with his rich politically connected Moslem buddy from Occidental? Was that before his trip to Kenya, I wonder?
I wonder if Zero is still “legally” Kenyan, then. If he is, what a freakshow! Since he has not a drop of Kenyan blood in his veins.
From what I can tell Obama would seem to have been or had rights to all the following citizenships:
1. US
2. British - son of BRITISH citizen legally in 1961 since Kenya was not yet independent.
3. Indonesia - Soetoro family, especially the father, were Indonesian citizens (some may debate SADS but by Indoesian law she would have viewed as an Indonesian citizen after 1 year of marriage to Lolo. She obviously kept her US passport though and seemed to carry ‘dual’ states though not legal - in Indonesia.) So Obama would have been considered Indonesian. This could validated with a simple document - his 1967 passport after he came off of SADS passport in 1967.
4. Kenyan - Once Kenya became independent Senior was then a Kenyan citizen. His legal son would then have rights to Kenyan citizenship - again without him having to be born or ever stepped foot in Kenya.
So yes, Obama has been a child of the world - literally.
Remember when he was detained in Russia on suspicion of being a spy. A BRITISH spy!
“When I heard this the other night it hit me like a ton of bricks! I remember the plane with the US Senator being held at the airport in Russia! I remember thanking it was crazy that they believed the Senator on the Plane was a Spy for the British! “
Remember the prime minister of Thailand. The BRIT who stayed a BRIT even after he was PM!
My understanding is that you never really ‘lose’ your British citizenship. You have to formally and specifically renounce it. There is a form for it - form ‘RA’. And you have to renounce your desire to be a British subject or British Overseas Citizen (BOC) to a British official. Has anyone ever seen form ‘RA’ for Obama? If not - he could still claim British citizenship - to this day. Probably not what the founders had in mind when they drafted Article II, Section 1.
It is easy to see the Indonesian citizenship status via the Indonesian parents. He basically HAD to be conaidered a citizen of Indonesia by Indonesia.
And for Kenya - if BHO Senior was a ‘conduit’ in 1971 that function would likely result in the termination of Indonesian citizenship (and the legal rights of Lolo and SADS). Obama would have been 100% Kenyan at that point. But along with guardianship was his citizenship also transfered during the ‘Grand Family Reunion’ period? If so, was it US, something else? And remember without form RA I believe he still had rights to British citizenship - even if never formally exercised.
Fast forward to colleges - specifically Oxy. Did he leverage foreign citizenship to get in and get a scholarship?
Remember LA times said he went to Oxy on a ‘full scholarship’.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/29/local/me-oxy29
“But the Illinois Democrat began his undergraduate education at Occidental, and the 1,825-student liberal arts college in the Eagle Rock neighborhood of Los Angeles isn’t shy about claiming him as an alumnus for his two years there (1979-81) on full scholarship.”
The fast forward to 2008 - January, February, March. Three ‘accesses’ of passport records targeting Obama. The first stories did say Obama (and no one else). Later is was ‘all candidates’. Almost everything above can be confirmed (or denied) with passport records. In fact passports are considered they highest form of citizenship proof by any governmental including the US.
So the real passport records would provide most, if not all the answers to the citizenship history of Obama since he was traveling internationally at a very young age. But these records were at least ‘accessed’. Where they altered? If so, what would need ‘altering’. Maybe a BC document image?
Now remember Fact Check’s photos - digital photos of very high resolution - of an actual document presented on their website in August 2008. The original photos were posted - very high resolution - AND digital time and date stamps were included. The data stamps were 2 days prior to the last March passport ‘access’. 2 days! The photos are clearly taken in Obama’s Chicago campaign office - some at night, some during the day. The time stamps would indicate that the TIME was altered to make it look they were all shot in a single sequence. But they apparently left the date unaltered. Later the Fact Checkers would claim they had the time and date set wrong in the Canon camera they used. They claimed battery failure or something since it seemed their claim of ‘recently’ taking the pictures (they never give a specific date of the photoshoot) was questioned due to the March date. Where these ‘trophy’ pictures of a forgery that were then given to Fact Check?
After the datestamp issue was well discussed Fact Check later removed the originals and posted reworked replacements of the photos. They claimed it was to reduce the size. But they also removed the datestamp information. Sloppy on their part.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
So....
Passport records and the details of 1971....they would be worth a lot in understanding the mysteries.
1. US
2. British - son of BRITISH citizen legally in 1961 since Kenya was not yet independent.
They would only apply if he was the son of SAD and BHO and was born in HI. And I think it is clear by now that he is none of the above. If he were, for instance, the son of MX and the Lebanese woman, then from my various readings, he would have US citizenship (but not be a Natural Born Citizen due to a foreign national parent) if he was born in WA state, but not if he was born in Canada. If he was born in CA, I assume he would have Lebanese citizenship, don't know about Canadian law in that regard. If he is the son of MX and the Lebanse woman, they were not married, so the US citizenship would only confer if born in the US, but not in another country.
Well, I based my statements on ‘legal reality’ vs. ‘real reality’. And the two can and do vary in the real world.
The legal reality is in 1964 it seems Obama was legally deemed the child of SADS and BHO and legally deemed born in Hawaii in 1961. Or at least some child was acknowledging the current working theories (which I do not discard as possible).
As the ‘legal’ son of BHO born in 1961 this child would have access to British citizenship as a BOC.
As for US citizenship Obama definitely NOW has a US passport. So regardless of reality he is deemed a US citizen without a shadow of doubt. Is this obtained via fraud? Could be. But certainly he is NOW legally a US citizen.
It is always important to keep ‘legal’ and ‘real’ reality separate to avoid going completely crazy with this stuff.
Yeah, I see what you mean. Sort of two separate streams.
But if his identity was illegally obtained (even though as a child), it would seem that legally it would be null and void in court (if we had a real justice system, that is).
And I wonder exactly how he got a US passport? Did he show any documents? Are they just given automatically to Senators? Since the fraudulent birth certificates that have been made public (well, shown on the internet) weren’t created yet when he got the US passport, I wonder what on earth was shown, if anything?
‘How did he get a US passport?’
If his first known US passport after 1967 was a diplomatic one then the answer is easy. There are functions who ‘take care’ of politicians.
As an example maybe Mr. Richard Flahavan (who released the FOIA information request on Mr. Obama) is one of these. But this example is not for Mr. Obama - but for Mr. Mitch McConnell:
http://www.hillbillyreport.org/diary/976/senator-mitch-mcconnells-military-service
http://www.hillbillyreport.com/blog/richard-s-flahavan/
“Rep Tom Tancredo born in 1943 and 1945 respectively we felt that Richard Flahavan was possibly covering for Senator Mitch McConnell. In Richard Flahavan’s extract he writes “the U.S. Army ordered him to undergo an Armed Forces Physical Examination which he did July 9, 1967. Apparently, he did not pass because he was released from the U.S. Army Reserve August 15, 1967.” I just love that word apparently! “
Excerpt from above:
“...we felt that Richard Flahavan was possibly covering for Senator Mitch McConnell.”
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/DraftRegistration.htm
“On Oct. 13, 2008, J. Stephen Coffman, a retired federal agent, filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the SS for a copy of Obama’s SS registration form. Debbie Schlussel broke this story on Nov. 13, 2008, questioning myriad peculiarities about Obama’s registration form. Coffman’s FOIA request was processed on Oct. 29, 2008, two days after the SS claimed it was received. Coffman received a copy of Obama’s registration form along with a copy of the computer inquiry screen, which showed an access date of Sept. 9, 2008, several weeks prior to Coffman’s request.
It was accompanied by a letter from Richard S. Flahavan, associate director for public affairs and intergovernmental affairs, who stated, “Also, the enclosed computer inquiry screen indicates that his registration number is 61-1125539-1, as previously provided to you.” The computer printout shows a transaction date of Sept. 4, 1980 (the date Obama’s July 29, 1980 registration was entered into the system) with a last action date of Sept. 4, 1980, signifying nothing else had been received or entered since the original Sept. 4, 1980 registration form.”
Excerpt from above:
“It was accompanied by a letter from Richard S. Flahavan,...”
hmmm...so what is Mr. Flahaven’s job at Selective Service - fixer for politicians?
Would there be a similar ‘fixer’ in the passport services? Maybe. Probably.
Also, when you talk about a court of law remember there are two courts - originating courts where issues are first tried (’originating’ may not be the correct term). And APPELLATE courts for appeals and reviews. Appellate courts will only deal with items already ‘on the record’. They will not reopen the source investigation or facts. They merely review ‘the record’ of the original action.
So once ‘the record’ is established in the first court action new facts, new information is usually not allowed in.
Nothing about Obama’s past has had a court record established so it has not gone to the appellate level. In fact the cases have been usually dismissed for ‘lack of standing’ and not even really legally started. No record based on presented evidence during the discovery phase of a trial has ever been done.
It's sounds like they thought, if we tell Susan the story and show her the baby, it's as good as telling all of Seattle.
And years later, when she was first interviewed, she tailored the visit to suit the then-known scenario - she knew by then that the kenyan had been accepted to attend Harvard, but she didn't know he left Hawaii almost a year later.
So she says, she went to Boston to join her husband; and because she's had time to realize she might have been used and fooled, but she's still loyal to the cause, she says SAD 'nursed' the baby.
A mother who has been 'nursing' a baby for three weeks would know all too well how to change its diaper, nor be surprised when it 'pooped'.
Surely Susan wasn't that stupid that by the time the news of Anna Obama turned up on Capitol Hill, they didn't all realize this wasn't the same woman? Both Susan and Maxine are on record as saying they never saw her again...
So who did they trot out to say they had visited Anna at Capitol Hill, whose purpose was to make us believe she was Stanley Ann Dunham?
Not Susan or Maxine. There were friends from Mercer Island High School who attended the U of WA and they didn't know she was there...
And that's where it all starts. Where was that child born and who were its parents? Can you accept an ID made up of forgeries, lies and the fairy-tale of 'Dreams'?
I'm wondering about this:
So who did they trot out to say they had visited Anna at Capitol Hill, whose purpose was to make us believe she was Stanley Ann Dunham?
Who did visit? I don't remember a visit, only Mary Toutonghi. Was there a visit supposedly? And of course, if SAD was really attending UW and living in Seattle, her old friends would have certainly known she was there - she would have gotten in touch with them, etc. The whole early history is so feeble - like a brokn spider web, it doesn't even pretend to hold together. The weavers only hoped (and so far they're mostly correct) that people would be either too lazy or too chicken**** to say or do anything about the lies. And those who do, have no support by "important" people who can actually do anything. I am hoping that is starting to change.
Who visited? It certainly wasn’t Susan or Maxine, who had both already said that they never saw her again. When Anna Obama showed up in the Seattle directory the pair of them offered that they ‘had heard she returned in 1962’ and attended the University of Washington.
Didn’t they know that the fake U of WA transcripts were floating around the web by then? With a commencement date of September 19, 1961??? (The semester started September 25, but let’s not quibble.)
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“The marriage was brief. By 1962, Dunham had returned to Seattle as a single mother, enrolling in the UW for spring quarter and living in an apartment on Capitol Hill. But friends said she got overwhelmed and returned to her family in Hawaii, and formally divorced Obama Sr. in 1964”
http://seattletimes.com/html/politics/2004334057_obama08m.html
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They trotted out a number of ‘classmates’ from Mercer Island High School who said they visited her - some saw a baby there, some didn’t, some thought the child had been left with its father in Hawaii.
But Barbara Cannon-Rusk, who ended up one of zero’s teachers at Punahou, remembers little zero playing with her daughter on the floor...
Unfortunately, her scripted recollections dovetailed word for word with those of John Hunt; they had both been to the World’s Fair after returning from Utah.
So John Hunt’s story was removed from the web. Here you go, compare the stories...
Another class mate, Barbara Cannon Rusk, recalls visiting Stanley Ann Dunham and her baby son Barack at her apartment on Capitol Hill in Seattle shortly after the end of these spring quarter classes. (1962).
‘I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World’s Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann’s apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn’t in classes, and didn’t have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn’t right in her marriage. It was all very mysterious. First, her husband wasn’t there, he was already off in Harvard. I didn’t ask her about the relationship, feeling it was a private matter. My daughter Michelle was just a few weeks younger than Stanley’s son, who she called Barry, and they played together on the floor.’
Sum 1962 — Sighting by John W. Hunt in June-Sept 1962 “I had moved to Utah for a while after high school, and I came back to Seattle in the summer of 1962. I remember visiting the World’s Fair, and then stopping by Stanley Ann’s apartment on Capitol Hill. It was a small apartment, upstairs. It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962. I visited her for half a day or so. It was after the end of the spring quarter classes, and she wasn’t in classes, and didn’t have a job. I recall her being melancholy at the time. I had a sense that something wasn’t right in her.”
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Her name was Anna Obama but she was really Stanley Ann Dunham, it was in August 1961, no not really, it was September 1962, she had a baby, no she didn’t....her husband was at Harvard, no he wasn’t, he wouldn’t be there for almost a year, but she went looking for him in Boston. The child was seven months old in August, he was born in August...take your pick.
And don’t bother with a ping, I’ve posted this and more a hundred times. No one wants to know that Anna Obama wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham.
Oh yes, I remember those duplicate synthetic “memories”! The story tellers organizing this scam are really poor at it; they are (were) counting on all truth being suppressed.
More people have asked to be added, and some freepmail me wanting summaries, which I try to sort of give or send links to. Now that Zullo has publically stated that there is no evidence that SAD is the mother - I think more interest is happening. Yes I do! People who are just starting (or re-starting) to look at this just don’t know where to start. Today I was going to compile some links but felt like junk and didn’t get to it. Maybe Sunday, tomorrow I’m busy.
(It’s just that some of the bitter clingers to the myth are sort of loud!)
Forget the summaries, I fell for that and look what happened, my private mail summaries were circulated without context, with my screen name on them - and then my summaries were thrown back at me as being incoherent.
There’s no easy way. The lazy ones want everything in three lines. It’s not possible.
If the scam had been so simple, the cabal who set this up wouldn’t be feeling so sure of themselves, which they are, they are laughing, convinced that no one will ever figure out how they fooled everyone by blending the identity of two women and two children into one mythical mother-and -child relationship.
And they did that without revealing the identity of the mother or the father...
Like everything else in this world, if it’s worthwhile, it has to be one step at a time.
And the first step has to be to understand it isn’t known who his parents were, where/when he was born and what his birth name was.
You said it once; start with an empty cup.
I’m going to put togehter a compendium of links. But it will have to be in a couple/three days.
Good luck with that. They will only believe what they want to believe.
I look at it this way.
Some people only “believe” what they want to believe - usually what they already believe. They like their little arrangment of mental furniture as it’s comfortable to them and props up other beliefs, habits, attachments and aversions and so on.
But some people want the truth. I figure if little ol’ me wants the truth, certainly many others do too. Not enough, mabye - I wish more did - but I think there are plenty more who do. Even ones just reading FR but aren’t members, or don’t post; what to speak of people not on FR.
And the fiends have done their best to taint the truth with nasty words like “tinfoil”, “kookery”, “conspirarcy theories” and even invented the word “birthers” - as a hedge to keep people in mental prisons.
Harry Bounel was a real person, not only listed in the Census of 1940, when he was a lodger in an apartment in the Bronx, NY, but in the 1920 and 1930 censuses living in Baltimore.
As an educated guess, he didn't enter through Ellis Island (and you won't find him listed there) because he probably came through Baltimore. (IIRC, Baltimore served as the second most active port for immigration on the East Coast in the early 1900s.) Bounel, according to his census data, arrived in the US in 1911. By 1930, he was married and had fathered TEN children. Although his birth year from the earlier census data would probably be 1895, due to the rarity of the name Bounel and other identical demographic characteristics, the Harry Bounel of Baltimore in 1920 and 1930 is very likely the same man as the Harry Bounel of the Bronx enumerated in the later 1940 census.
Could he have relocated to Connecticut later in life before he applied for his Social Security number? Quite possible. Remember that at its outset, quite a large percentage of workers in small businesses were not required to participate in Social Security, so there might have been no need for him to apply for a number until much later, when he may have needed one for Medicare. Furthermore, it is only a short drive from the Bronx into the state of Connecticut.
Could he have changed from "Harry Bounel" to "Harrison J. Bounel" sometime during his life? That's possible as well, and such a change would not even have required a formal legal proceeding.
I don’t have much to add about this mystery, but I have always wondered why it’s been assumed this man was Russian? I’m pretty certain that there was a private railway built in England in the 18 hundreds, by someone named Bounel, and I doubt if he was Russian.
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