Posted on 06/04/2013 1:09:33 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
On June 1, 2013 Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse lead investigator, Mike Zullo, revealed for the first time that Reed Hayes of Hawaii is the Certified Document Examiner (CDE) who produced the 40 page opinion referenced in an Alabama court affidavit concluding that Obama's White House pdf birth certificate image was completely fabricated.
Obots (FogBlowers) have rushed to denounce Reed Hayes as a "quack" but might be surprised to find that one of Hayes' clients listed in the Expert Witness Directory at the thread link is an attorney with Perkins Coie. That is the law firm whose partners have provided Obama's personal defense against all birth certificate and natural born citizen litigation over the past five years.
Should Sheriff Arpaio succeed in getting congress to investigate the authenticity of Obama's BC, the Perkins Coie legal team defending Obama will be hard pressed to denounce Reed Hayes as a "quack" when members of their own firm have used him as an expert witness. Their own prior cases where Hayes was used as a witness would be compromised if they use Alinski-style mocking ad hominem attacks on Hayes.
Obots are already peppering Hayes with e-mails trying to discover the details in his 40-page forensic analysis of the pdf BC, but Hayes has properly refused to disclose any details and refers them to Arpaio and the CCP who own his report.
The Obot attempt to find "dirt" on Hayes was quickly derailed by their discovery that Hayes had a male "partner" (now deceased) who had been an ACLU lawyer in Hawaii making it likely that Hayes himself was a liberal progressive and likely Obama supporter and not some Tea Party "birther" prior to being engaged to examine Obama's BC image. This ruins their usual playbook of smearing truth-tellers on the right. Obots have even debated at length whether personal attacks should be suspended due to this discovery and only Hayes' work product be attacked. That's generous of some of them but other Obots chimed in that just because Hayes' partner was ACLU doesn't mean that Hayes wasn't some kind of Obama-hating right-wing "birther."
Very amusing!
Theirs’. If you don’t believe it, you could abandon your “head in the sand” approach for a couple of minutes and check out their posts for yourself.
My opinion is that birth certificates are completely and totally irrelevant to Article 2, Section 1 eligibility. There is no state in the Union that requires a birth certificate in order to establish qualification to be on the ballot.
My opinion is further that Sasha and Malia Obama could put a crayon drawing of daddy’s birth certificate on the whitehouse.gov web site and it wouldn’t constitute fraud as long as the date of birth and place of birth remain the same as what is on the original. There is corroborating evidence for place of birth and date of birth going back to August 13, 1961’s “Health Bureau Statistics” entry in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper.
My gut feeling is that the whole emphasis on Obama’s birth certificate was a classic Alinskyite diversionary tactic straight out of Rules For Radicals:
“Take what your opponent thinks is your weakness and make it your strength.” Remember that Phil Berg, a Democrat, was one of the first birth certificate “birthers.”
Oh, the agony...poor progs!
Anyone would have to be an idiot to believe this.
Just last week, my sister went to the local board of education to get a copy of our mother’s high school record. They printed, from microfilm, a paper copy of the card filled out by my Mom’s parents in 1946. They pressed it with a seal and she took it to the DMV office to get a photo ID.
There was no need for two lawyers to fly from DC to Hawaii to pick up a copy and bring it back to DC and put it on a scanner to make a file for a website.
I work in an adult public school GED classroom. We copy records like this all the time. We shade over the seal with a pencil so the agency we fax them to will know they are legit. We have no problems.
There is no good reason why a copy of his original record could not have been given to the public five years ago. But it is only available on the web. I don’t know about you, but I don’t believe everything I see on the web.
Lol; what a comedian you are. If I don’t want to visit one of the most hateful, irrational & unintelligent sites on the web, it means my head is in the sand? Are you here all wk? Should I try the veal?
So the explanation you offered re: the LF BC was entirely representative of Fogbow ‘thought’, not yours. Glad that’s clarified.
So what do YOU think of the LF BC? I’m not asking if you think it’s relevant. Forget relevancy. I’m asking how your view of the doc itself is like or differs from the Fogbow view. Do you believe their interpretation of the layers, or do you align w Zullo & co?
We’re talking DEMOCRATS here. The short form worked well enough to get elected and the long form worked well enough to get reelected. TO THEM, that’s all that matters.
Judith Corley flying to Honolulu to pick it up was just campaign season political theater at its most crass.
You’re thinking like a conservative, not like a liberal.
No, but every birth certificate presented by average citizens for legal purposes such as obtaining a birth certificate or ID must be verified by the original source, which has never happened for Obama. It's odd too, since he voted for the law that requires birth certificates to be authenticated.
New BirtherReport has re-published this vanity and also claims that Reed Hayes is now “afraid for his life”:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3027429/posts
Barack Obama has a US Passport. There’s even a YouTube video about it.
He could use his passport as opposed to his birth certificate to get on the ballot in any state. In most states, whoever is the nominee of a major political party is automatically qualified as eligible. It is then left to citizens and opposing candidates to challenge credentials.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=UvqgyV_2pHg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUvqgyV_2pHg
The state of Hawaii has verified his birth in that state eight times: two by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former Director of Health, one by Loretta Fuddy, current Director of Health, once by former Governor Lingle, once by current Governor Abercrombie and three Letters of Verification by Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics.
Here’s an interview with Dr. Chiyome Fukino where she verifies the Obama birth record:
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?de=&v=e9D4n6_Uifk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3De9D4n6_Uifk%26de
Jamese777, is that you?
What is your Fogbow handle? (If you don’t want it made public, you can PM the info to me. I’ll be as close as a tomb, & not tell a soul. Really. You can trust me; I’m not like the others.)
Why should he need that? With the INCOMPETENCE of our state election officials, all he needs is a letter from a crazy bedbug!
"Hello America! *I* am the one who decided Your President's Eligibility!"
Now if the system wasn't full of IDIOTS, neither a letter from the crazy bedbug, OR a Passport would be sufficient to get him on the ballot. You see, NEITHER is proof that he is a "natural" citizen.
The state of Hawaii has verified his birth in that state eight times: two by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former Director of Health, one by Loretta Fuddy, current Director of Health, once by former Governor Lingle, once by current Governor Abercrombie and three Letters of Verification by Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics.
Absolutely untrue. Don't mislead people Nero Germanicus. Hawaii officials did no such thing. They simply claimed that they had some records. Not a single statement which they made nailed down the facts regarding such records.
Sure, they got records, but are they original, and are they based on something other than an affidavit from the grandmother?
Nobody struggles this hard to get away unless they are running from something, and the American people deserve to know what it is. The obfuscation from Hawaii should never have been tolerated because they are INTENTIONALLY interfering with Constitutional law.
Of course. You are one of the people who feel that having a CRAZY BEDBUG vouch for you is all that is necessary.
Hello America! I'm the Crazy Bedbug who declared Obama Eligible!"
"50 incompetent state election officials believed me, and i'm a complete loon!"
There is no state in the Union that requires a birth certificate in order to establish qualification to be on the ballot.
Proof that they are stupid and incompetent, just as I have been saying. Arizona attempted it, but Bammy bribed Jan Brewer and the Media made fun of her state, so she vetoed the completely reasonable law.
My opinion is further that Sasha and Malia Obama could put a crayon drawing of daddy’s birth certificate on the whitehouse.gov web site and it wouldn’t constitute fraud as long as the date of birth and place of birth remain the same as what is on the original.
Sure! Why not? Makes as much sense as letting a Crazy Bedbug decide he's eligible.
There is corroborating evidence for place of birth and date of birth going back to August 13, 1961’s “Health Bureau Statistics” entry in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper.
It doesn't prove Hawaiian birth, it proves a Hawaiian filing of some sort. The endless obfuscation and failure to present an ORIGINAL document lends credence that his records are based on something other than an ordinary filing with the DOH.
My gut feeling is that the whole emphasis on Obama’s birth certificate was a classic Alinskyite diversionary tactic straight out of Rules For Radicals: “Take what your opponent thinks is your weakness and make it your strength.” Remember that Phil Berg, a Democrat, was one of the first birth certificate “birthers.”
This would be a plausible theory if you could point to some manner in which having people mock him over this actually helps him? How does people questioning his legitimacy play into his hands? Where does he benefit from this? Do you have anything? Anything at all?
In absence of any evidence that this supposed Alinsky tactic benefits the Usurper, i'll have to say your theory is debunked.
I have TWO "authentic" birth certificates. I suspect Obama does too, but we aren't interested in Legal bullsh*t, we are only interested in what is actually true. We want to see the ORIGINAL record, and have someone put a stamp on it which explicitly spells out that it is THE ORIGINAL, with no "ifs", "ands", or "buts".
They further believe that what some folks call “forgery” is nothing more than misunderstanding the optimization process used when creating a PDF from a scanned document.
I have done quite a lot of work with computer graphics. I also have some knowledge of file compression and how that works. Do you know what is "bit depth"? Do you know what is "pixel resolution"? Let me make this simple for you. There is no plausible reason to mix different bit depths and differing pixel resolutions onto a document which is an original source document.
Finding this sort of thing on an image only makes sense if the image was pasted together from bits of files stored in different resolutions and bit depths. In such a case, it makes PERFECT sense. It is unavoidable, in fact.
Now who would legitimately do such a thing? I'll tell you who. DOH Hawaii in creating a REPLACEMENT birth certificate from bits out of various files in their database. It is known that they switched data storage formats several times as computer technology changed. An unknowing bureaucrat might not have noticed that the various files which they might have opened contained image data stored in different formats.
Nobody ever looks at their court ordered replacement birth certificates so closely, and they NEVER get a PDF of them. That honor was reserved for Barry's attorney, who probably had to approve the document as complying with the order he sought to create it.
Now what were you saying about the moon?
Yes, he received a passport as a senator, well before the alleged COLB that was issued in 2007 and the LFBC issued in 2011. What document did he use to obtain that passport?? Let's see it.
The state of Hawaii has verified his birth in that state eight times: two by Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former Director of Health, one by Loretta Fuddy, current Director of Health, once by former Governor Lingle, once by current Governor Abercrombie and three Letters of Verification by Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D., Hawaii Registrar of Vital Statistics.
Nonsense. News releases and media comments are not legal verifications. The only thing that comes close are the letters of verification by Alvin T. Onaka Ph.D., but those fail to comply with Hawaii state law in verifying birth in Hawaii. They said they have a document on file that "indicates" Obama was born there. When asked if the PDF of the LFBC was a correct copy and if it was an identical match to the original record, Onaka did NOT verify these facts as stated by the applicant. IOW, there was no legal verification of birth in Hawaii. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
http://ppsimmons.blogspot.com/2013/06/stunning-revelation-obots-are-in-tizzy.html
CCP lead investigator Mike Zullo says, regarding the Hayes revelation, “This ought to serve as a warning shot across the bow to the naysayers of our criminal investigation in the Obama fraud case. The impressive credentials of Mr. Hayes, and the fact that he has testified in court cases for Perkins-Coie coupled with the fact that Mr. Hayes is a registered Democrat, demonstrates the integrity of our investigation and our conviction that we possess incontrovertible evidence to back our case. It must be emphasized that we possess much more evidence similar to this revelation that we have not yet released for public information.”
Thanks for the ping. I just wonder why they don’t put it out already.
“I just wonder why they don’t put it out already.”
This is criminal evidence in the process of being developed further that is now intended for congress.
Zullo does not want to tip off the Obots and Perkins Coie to any more witnesses that can be abused (like Reed Hayes) or to evidence that can be destroyed than is necessary beyond what is needed to generate public support.
Congress does not want to touch this with a ten foot pole. They never have. They are DEATHLY afraid of accusations that they are only looking at his background because he is black.
Unless he’s got some sort of “Holy Grail”, I predict Congress will never consent to even mentioning the topic.
But let’s hope he has a “Holy Grail.”
They are only AVOIDING looking at his background because he is black.
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