Posted on 04/14/2013 9:31:12 AM PDT by marktwain
The anti-freedom fascists will never approve of this, because it does not advance their agenda. In fact, it reverses it, because the next logical step is to allow the self-check to be used for FFL approved transfers.
It is a poison pill for the fascists.
How would any of it have stopped Adam Lanza or James Holmes?
Once the requirement is in place for all or most transfers to go through FFL’s the next step will be to regulate them out of business. See how easy that works?
It wouldn't, nor will it stop a single gang banger from arming himself and shooting up a block full of kids. It's the fascist's attempt to deprive the citizen of his rights by making it a nuisance to legally own a firearm.
Adam Lanza succeeded doing in Newtown what 0bama/Holder tried to do with F&F, plain and simple.
Why do you have to pick a poison? We have a constitution which addresses the subject. We have laws which are not being enforced or which are being enforced arbitrarily.
What is this constant urge to do something even if it's wrong?
You did not read the article, did you.
This amendment provides an alternative to FFLs, and puts in safeguards, including a way to audit that records from the current FBI system are actually destroyed.
Shall not be infringed... That means you can’t even make small steps because infringe means anything leaning towards control , not that those collectivists in Congress gave a damn about the oath they took.
The government, including the republicans, want the civilian population disarmed, period. The federal government has officially declared war on the Constitution and bill of rights, and will stop at nothing to implement their agenda. Defacto gun control will become law, and we can do nothing about it, except to willfully defy their unconstitutional decrees.
Doesn’t matter. This alternative won’t pass. The Toomey Manchinl bill is on track and will be the final version. My observation stands.
A+
It seems to me that they should stop targeting sales and start targeting criminals.
There are two broad types of persons associated with crime: convicted and non-convicted persons awaiting criminal trial.
1. Convicted criminals and their SSNs can be loaded into the portals.
2. TROs handle persons awaiting criminal trial. An accused is still innocent but courts have discretion to forbid firearms until a trial is complete. TROs reference SSNs and so these can be handled in a similar manner as convicted criminals.
Non-convicted persons who are wanted for a crime and haven’t been arrested yet need to be booked and brought to trial. If their ID is known, then subject to a warrant their information can be downloaded to portals.
Non-convicted persons implicated in a crime but with no identifying information must be handled by the public and law enforcement on a case by case basis. Such persons may remain unidentified in national portals so it falls to the public to pursue their information.
This leaves law-abiding people alone and free to exercise their rights. Otherwise a self-check clearance or whatever provides information that must be destroyed and between you and the fence post, you can forget information being destroyed in a total 100% manner. Information like energy can be transformed but never destroyed.
Freedom is preserved by never allowing the information to be created in the first place with exception for criminals.
NO. Period.
You want this federal "purchase permit" thing? Okay, then I want to be able to use this "permit" to buy any number of guns, anywhere in the US, from any private individual, gun store, distributor or manufacturer. And having this "federal purchase permit" would legally supersede any restrictive state laws.
I still don't like it, but we would at least be getting something in return. Of course something like this would never pass because we're always giving up ground for nothing in return.
Requiremnts that FBI delete records are worthless without individual govt employees being made PERSONALLY liable (civil and criminal) for illegally retaining info.
We don’t even own one gun, but I have written 3 emails to my Senators about this issue.
Gun Control Nazis do not want to stop criminals... they want to stop honest non-minority folks from owning weapons and defending themselves. Look at all the heavily Black populated cities with Gun Control and see the “success”
Gottlieb, Toomey, and Coburn have outdone the “progressives” at their own game.
The bill proposed has plenty of trojan horses in it for our side, and takes about 20 steps toward restoring our rights for a very small one backward.
I think the NRA will be with this one as well, and I think Obama may veto it. It is much like when Senator Coburn forced Obama to sign the guns in parks bill as part of the budget he wanted.
This has all kinds of stuff that Obama and the anti-freedom people hate. It is a real “compromise” in where we get a lot, and they get to save face, and get very, very little.
So you are saying we cannot take small steps back away from tyranny as well?
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