Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]

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[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.

[editor-surveyor]

What you are is one of the most despicable liars of all time.

[DiogenesLamp]

You don't know how extensively I have or have not read.

I know that you haven't read everything I wrote as you alleged, because if you had, I would not constantly be surprising you with stuff you haven't seen before.

As I've stated here before, I went in with NO opinion. You seem to have missed that.

Yes, I get quite well that you are representing yourself as completely objective from the beginning to now. I just don't believe you. You either ignore or are seemingly unaware of the fact that in order for your theory to be correct, (That it was universally understood that birth on the soil was the only requirement) there should be no contrary proof otherwise. The fact that there *IS* contrary proof ought to cause you pause, but it doesn't. You remain as certain of your correctness as any fool which rushes in where Angels fear to tread.

I took FIVE of your arguments at random in succession, and completely destroyed every single one of them, here.

No you didn't you f***** moron, you just mentally masturbated with yourself for several paragraphs, and then acted like the little dog which thinks he chased away a car.

Complete BS.

OMG! I am devastated by your brilliant repartee!

Rawle was a lawyer and a legal expert who founded the nation's law firm, wrote an extensive and authoritative work ON THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES,

When everyone who could safely contradict him was probably dead, no doubt.

was a personal friend of two of our most important Framers,

A point already addressed and which proves nothing.

and was present IN PHILADELPHIA during the Constitutional Convention.

As was the Philadelphia gutter trash, but I doubt they had any impact on, or understanding of, the work being done by the Delegates either. You simply put too much faith in absorption by osmosis on the part of Rawle. As I have previously pointed out, Rawle was elsewhere when the rest of the legal minds in America were diligently reading the Vattel blueprint for a nation, for the preceding 23 years. Who knows? Perhaps Vattel induced the Revolution?

Yes, if you want an expert on BRITISH law. Blackstone comes to mind though.

Ramsay was a HISTORIAN and a MEDICAL DOCTOR. He had no legal training at all.

You just throw that stuff out there and hope it sticks? I think you do not understand the nature of a University education from those days. Law was pretty much a staple of any University Education. In any case, the founders were making up the Law of America as they were going, and they were embracing legal doctrines which were contradicted and anathema to British Law.

There is no indication that he was especially close to any of our most important Framers such as Washington, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, etc. He was apparently a brother-in-law by marriage to Charles Pinckney, but that's about as close as he got.

The Man ran congress for God's sake! How much more involved do you need to be with the Constitutional Delegates or the making of law?

From 1782 to 1786 he served in the Continental Congress. In the absence of John Hancock, Ramsay served as chairman of Congress, from November 23, 1785 to May 12, 1786. In the 1790s he served three terms in the South Carolina State Senate, and was president of that body.

Yes, Clearly, the British lawyer had far more contact with the Delegates.

There is no indication that he was especially close to any of our most important Framers such as Washington, Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Hamilton, etc. He was apparently a brother-in-law by marriage to Charles Pinckney, but that's about as close as he got.

Martha Washington was especially close with George Washington, yet I suggest the only thing rubbing off on her was some of George.

Aside from that, Ramsay's doctrine on citizenship was the obvious and clear product of a self-interested sore-loser campaign in which he was trying to have the guy who beat him for US Representative declared ineligible.

Aside from that, Ramsay's doctrine on citizenship was the obvious and clear product of a self-interested sore-loser campaign in which he was trying to have the guy who beat him for US Representative declared ineligible.

And now who is demeaning and mischaracterizing an American Patriot? Very likely the House of Representatives saw it that way too, but had the vote gone the other way, David Ramsey would not have taken the seat instead of Smith, it would have been Commodore Alexander Gillon, who came in Second. Ramsey got just a little over half of Alexander Gillion's votes.

So with Ramsey not wining the seat regardless of what happened to Smith, how is his self interest advanced? Again, you speak from Ignorance. Ramsey lost the vote because his Anti-Slavery principles were very unpopular in South Carolina.

Ramsay's citizenship claims were utterly rejected by his peers, led by none other than James Madison, who said that PLACE OF BIRTH WAS WHAT APPLIED IN THE UNITED STATES. And Ramsay was voted down, an almost unanimous 36 to 1.

I am familiar with that Statement by James Madison. It is the only thing he said. He absolutely said nothing else other than that Mr. Smith was born in South Carolina. Do you know why he never said anything else? It's because EVERYONE knew that it was the ONLY REQUIREMENT! Once you say someone is born there, it is the END OF THE DISCUSSION, because no other fact is relevant.

Oh, but wait. Perhaps i'm mistaken. Perhaps James Madison did say a thing or two more on the subject. I believe he said the matter would be greatly simplified if South Carolina had a law on the subject. I believe he also said that Mr. Smith's Ancestors were among the first settlers of South Carolina. For some reason, Madison didn't seem to think just saying Smith was born there ended debate.

Now why would it not end the debate if you are correct?

If it is hard to imagine a more authoritative voice than Rawle, it is equally hard to imagine a LESS authoritative one than Ramsay.

I dare say if you overwork your imagination any further, you might strain something. All I see from you IS the work of your imagination, and it's not even a very good one.

[butterdezillion]

Show me in the statute where it says that the date is irrelevant and so it doesn’t have to be verified when requested.

What part of “and any other information that the applicant provides” do you fail to understand?

Mike Zullo noted in his first press conference that he had asked different state SOS’s and they had all said that they would not accept a verification of birth that didn’t list a date and parents.

Why did Onaka mention Honolulu but not Oahu? Both items were submitted for verification.

Why did Onaka mention only one word out of all six things submitted for verification? If issuing a verification means that everything submitted was being verified, then why mention Honolulu at all?

And why not verify that Obama WAS born in Honolulu, instead of verifying the existence of a birth record “indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II, was born in Honolulu, HI”? All he is verifying there is the existence of the birth record. It claims a Honolulu, HI birth, but that only legally means something if the record is valid. Onaka never directly says whether the record is valid or non-valid. But by refusing to verify any of the submitted facts even though saying that the information “matches”, he effectively confirms that the BC is NOT legally valid. Which is why he can’t say he verifies any birth facts submitted on the request application; he can only verify the existence of a birth certificate CLAIMING (”indicating”) this or that. Makes no difference what a non-valid BC claims. Legally, it is totally irrelevant.

But you won’t address this. Which is why it is a waste of time to talk to you.

[Cold Case Posse Supporter]

LMAO. I just damn near fell out of my office chair reading that. Great post.

[Jeff Winston]

You either ignore or are seemingly unaware of the fact that in order for your theory to be correct, (That it was universally understood that birth on the soil was the only requirement) there should be no contrary proof otherwise.

This is just silly. Because if you were to apply the same standard to your own arguments, you would simply quit.

The real evidence against the historical understanding is almost nonexistent. The evidence against YOUR BOGUS CLAIMS is overwhelming.

[Tau Food]

You are absolutely correct in pointing out that birth certificates and other official government records should be determinative of issues such as birth and death, but if you're interested in the truth, I believe that Obama looks more like Frank Marshall Davis than Obama, Sr.

See for yourself:

Frank Marshall Davis was a 24 karat fully committed American Communist.

[Jeff Winston]

Now why would it not end the debate if you are correct?

When Madison's peers voted 36 to 1 to reject Ramsay's doctrine of citizenship by which he claimed Smith was ineligible, I'd say that ended the debate.

Ramsay went back to South Carolina and licked his wounds, and the first publication of his little book on citizenship was its last.

I'd say Ramsay had a good sight more sense than some of our modern day Quixotes, who will never stop pushing their bogus theories of citizenship, no matter how many Founders, Framers and early American legal authorities contradict them.

[Tau Food]

I should add that, although Frank Marshall Davis was born in Kansas, he was in Hawaii when Barack Obama was conceived and born. He was also very close to Obama's mother's family. He had motive an opportunity.

Look again:

Isn't it possible (indeed likely) that Obama manufactured this whole birth controversy in order to distract people from discovering the more damaging truth: that our president is actually the son of a dedicated, card-carrying American Communist?

[Seizethecarp]

“Are you telling me that the other side has no admissible evidence to prove that he was born in Kenya or somewhere outside the United States? Not one witness to his birth somewhere outside the United States will be called as a witness? And, you wonder about the outcome of such a trial?”

There is plenty of evidence that a criminal conspiracy has existed to suppress/withhold/destroy evidence and intimidate/bribe/neutralize witnesses. The FBI, DOJ, and HI DOH are all under direct control of co-conspirators, IMO, as concluded by former federal LEO Sheriff Arpaio.

Barry’s step-grandmother is on tape saying repeatedly in tribal language that she was a witness to Barry’s birth in Mombassa while “helpful” English translators coach her to say “Hawaii.”

http://www.wnd.com/2009/08/107524/

She also let slip that POTUS Barry “passed through my hands” at a public award ceremony honoring her.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/regional/Obamas%20grandmother%20throws%20party%20/-/1070/912088/-/132bh0/-/index.html

An affidavit was filed (by an ex-con) in a CA federal district court under penalty of perjury claiming to include an image of a copy of Barry’s Kenyan BC certified in early 2009. The BC image shows a signature of Dr. James Ang’awa, who was subsequently proved after laborious searching (as claimed by the ex-con) to have practiced in Mombasa in 1961. Kenyan authorities have refused to authenticate this BC, but may have refused for a number of reason having nothing to do with the truth.

However Judge Carter eventually ruled that even if a proper certified original copy could be authenticated by Kenyan authorities (as foreign BC’s must be under the Federal Rules of Evidence) Judge Carter would be forced to give priority to the Hawaiian DHOH claims to have Barry’s BC on file (an LFBC was subsequently “released” to the public (but not LEGALLY released) has been determined to have been forged beyond a reasonable doubt, according to Arpaio’s Posse).

http://www.wnd.com/2009/09/109113/

Jerome Corsi published in WND and in his book Where’s The Birth Certificate images of secret Kenyan government letters claimed to show that the US Ambassador requested the Kenyan gov’t search the birth records at Coast Province General Hospital for a record of Barry’s birth and although the record was not found there WAS evidence that key records were missing and had likely been criminally removed, prompting a a call for an investigation.

Of course with Barry’s campaign and legal team having $ millions available to bribe officials to purge records around the world and lots of records missing or sealed, it is not at surprising the Kenyan birth records would be missing. Remember that Rahm Emmanuel made a surprise vacation visit to Kenya in late 2008 during the transition.

“Kenya investigated Obama ‘African birth’”

http://www.wnd.com/2011/05/297273/

Kisombe wrote another letter on the issue, this time to Kenya’s Criminal Investigation Department, a few days before the Nov. 4 presidential election in the U.S.

Kisombe, 56, has been in public service since 1979, according to his bio. He became principal administrative secretary in the Office of the President in 2004 and was appointed permanent secretary for Immigration and Registration of Persons on Dec. 7, 2005.

His Oct. 22, 2008, letter to Simon Karanja Gatiba, director of the Criminal Investigation Department, indicated an investigation into the possibility Obama was born in Kenya was instigated at the level of the Kenyan Cabinet.

Kisombe wrote to Gatiba:

We have instructions from the Head of Civil Service and Secretary to the Cabinet carrying out directions of the Cabinet sub-committee on Security and Foreign Relations to investigate and report on efficacy of reports that Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic Party aspirant in the United States could be Kenyan-born.

Kisombe said the Kenyan government investigation was prompted by “numerous intelligence reports that [Obama] might have been born in Mombasa at the Lady Grigg Maternity Wing of the Coast Provincial Hospital.”

Kisombe noted that the Kenyan government’s inability to find Obama birth records was not conclusive, because “the information we in the ministry have is that some documents have been removed by unknown persons at unknown dates or are missing from birth registry records thus denting the prospects of uncovering the facts of this matter.”

He wrote:

This tampering, if confirmed, constitutes a serious offense that is punishable by law and it behooves your office to track down the culprits and bring them to justice. My officers have been instructed to fully cooperate as the Kenya Police Criminal Investigation Department performs this task.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

bkmk. Thanks for the link.

[Tau Food]

I'm looking for admissible evidence.

Who, if anyone, is willing to appear in an American court and testify that he or she witnessed Obama being born in Kenya or anywhere else outside the United States?

Please review posts 1377 and 1378. Isn't it more likely that Obama concocted this entire birth controversy in order to distract the public and prevent people from discovering that he is actually the son of Frank Marshall Davis, an American Communist? Now that I've seen the pictures, it seems so obvious.

[Seizethecarp]

“Who, if anyone, is willing to appear in an American court and testify that he or she witnessed Obama being born in Kenya or anywhere else outside the United States?”

Odinga, recent president of Kenya, is a Luo relative of Barry’s by most accounts. Odinga launched a murderous rampage to protest his loss of the 2007 election, an election that Barry supported Odinga. Do you think it would be safe for any Kenyan to try to testify against Barry when his murderous cousin, Odinga, is still a powerful tribal and political leader. Get real!

The youngest adult witnesses to Barry’s birth in Kenya would be 70+ years in age...beyond the life expectancy for most Kenyans, I would think.

Dr. James Ang’awa, a possible attending MD at the birth, has been dead for decades.

Gramma Sarah is practically under house arrest, especially after she went off to Libya at the invitation of Khadafy!

Kenya is a dangerous place for those who don’t know when to keep their mouths shut.

“Libya & Kenya: Mama Sarah Obama visit to Gadhafi Palace in Tripoli has caused jittery in the family”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2680695/posts

“The controversial trip recently made to Tripoli, Libya by Mama Sarah Obama, the step grand mother of US President Barack Obama Jnr has caused jittery and big split within the Obama family in Alego Kogelo Nyang’oma backyard in Kenya.

“Mama Sarah Obama, the 88 year old step grand mother who sprung into fame immediately soon after the election victory of her step grand son Barack Obama jnr as the President of the United States of America, the most powerful nation on earth has visited other countries including Saudi Arabia and Rwanda.

“The Obama family in Kenya is currently embroiled in serious dispute about where the Kenya government should build the Kshs 100 million Barack Hussein Obama Cultural Center in Nyang’oma village.

“Mama Sarah Obama visited Tripoli last month in the company of her youngest son Saidi Obama, a main and other person and were lavishly entertained by President Gadhafi in his Tripoli Palace.

“The motive of the visit to Tripoli by Mama Sarah Obama remained unclear, but other unconfirmed reports says President Obama got the wind of the visit and appeared to have been embarrassed as he is said to have phoned his cousin Saidi Obama expressing his disappointment at what was going on around his Kenyan ancestral home backyard.

“A source confided to us that it was the first time the US President used harsh tone in conversation with his cousin. Mr. Saidi Obama, however, could not be reached for his immediate comments.”

[Seizethecarp]

“Isn’t it more likely that Obama concocted this entire birth controversy in order to distract the public and prevent people from discovering that he is actually the son of Frank Marshall Davis, an American Communist? Now that I’ve seen the pictures, it seems so obvious.”

You are obviously unfamiliar with the extensive Free Republic discussions of the possibility that FMD is Barry’s daddy in general, and my extensive posting on that possibility in particular.

If you search “seizethecarp FMD” you will get most of it.

The short version of my take is that FMD had the means motive and opportunity to father Barry and also to nail BHO Sr. with paternity and fund a diversionary trip to Kenya to hide the birth. FMD was CPUSA, a KGB controlled front group and he could have hidden Stanley Ann Dunham off in Kenya to protect the communist party and/or himself or BHO Sr. who had a great future in Africa as a likely KGB asset.

[Tau Food]

You really need a witness. You really need admissible evidence.

Speculation about possible reasons for the absence of evidence might be enough for an author who just wants to write a fascinating book, but it won't support a lawsuit. If you want a judge to find that someone was born in Kenya, you need to either bring him a witness to the birth or some official document that will permit him to take judicial notice of the birth. All else is worthless baloney.

Obama looks more like Frank Marshall Davis than Obama, Sr. I suspect that Obama was born in Hawaii, but that his real parents were Stanley Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis. I'm not sue I can prove it, though, unless I can prove that Obama's birth certificate is inaccurate.

[Tau Food]

The short version of my take is that FMD [Frank Marshall Davis] had the means motive and opportunity to father Barry

Do you think that Obama knows that he is the son of an American Communist?

If so, do you suspect (as I now do) that he concocted this whole "birthed" controversy to distract the public and suppress the fact that his real American father was an admitted Communist? Could he have won two presidential elections using the last name Davis?

It was the perfect deception!

[Seizethecarp]

“Obama looks more like Frank Marshall Davis than Obama, Sr.”

I haven’t seen any pictures where Barry looks like FMD, except that one baby picture.

Barry may not look like BHO Sr., but he looks a whole lot like his half brother David Obama, son of BHO sr. and Ruth Baker (Ndesandjo). That clinches BHO Sr. as the likely father of both for me.

Also, we have clear contemporaneous documentary evidence in the HI transcripts putting them in Russian class together and the INS FOIA documents linking BHO Sr. as having impregnated Stanley Ann and marrying her, but we have no documentary evidence or witnesses placing FMD and Stanley Ann together and no 1961 intimations of any kind that FMD was Barry’s dad.

In any case from a legal standpoint it is the legal father that counts and that is the father on the BC (if a non-forged one is ever found). But the father on the BC can only pass nationality if the father and mother were legally married. BHO Sr. has a wife in Kenya and under Kenyan and HI marriage law the HI marriage of Barry’s claimed parents was bigamous, IMO.

[Tau Food]

In any case from a legal standpoint it is the legal father that counts and that is the father on the BC (if a non-forged one is ever found).

Why do you think that the identity of the biological (or actual) father would be irrelevant to a determination of a child's status as a natural born citizen in cases where there exists a birth certificate which falsely describes some stranger as the father?

Do you really think our Founding Fathers wanted false birth certificates to take priority over the truth about paternity whey determining one's status as a natural born citizen? What did the Founding Fathers know about "birth certificates" in those days?

I think that if the Founding Fathers thought the father's citizenship was important to determining a child's status as a natural born citizen, they meant the real biological father and not a bogus father. Do you disagree?

[Seizethecarp]

“I think that if the Founding Fathers thought the father’s citizenship was important to determining a child’s status as a natural born citizen, they meant the real biological father and not a bogus father. Do you disagree?”

Your framing of “real biological father” had no meaning to the founding fathers. They didn’t have DNA. They knew legitimate vs. illegitimate. They could tell a mixed race child when one was not expected, to be sure.

Legal precedent is that any child born during a legal marriage (non-bigamous, for example) is the legal legitimate child of the husband. Period.

Have you read the 1948 BNA? It says that UK citizenship only passes to legitimate children of a UK subject, which would not include Barry if his parents marriage was bigamous.

[GBA]

Yep, it's a possibility that ties a lot of loose ends together for everyone involved and can explain everything.

And...with no Constitutional issues to fuss about, just the usual two party warfare with some added deception.

This possibility has been my hope all along, since it just means that obama is a fraud, which I already knew, but an all American, natural born fraud. I'm good with that.

If true, it would add a lot to the usual political warfare that's grown pretty stale these days, other than when Rand Paul stood up.

If we're voting on it, to me, obama looks much more like Malcolm X than he does anyone else, and if he's bio-dad, that explains things even better than FMD as bio-dad does.

[Tau Food]

Your framing of “real biological father” had no meaning to the founding fathers.

Are you kidding me? Men and women were killed over the issue. Our Founding Fathers were well aware of the facts of life, including how and by whom children were conceived.

Legal precedent is that any child born during a legal marriage (non-bigamous, for example) is the legal legitimate child of the husband. Period.

Yes, by statute in many areas, there has been a "conclusive presumption" that a child born during marriage was the child of the husband. But, the meaning of Constitutional terms like "natural born citizen" (a national, not a local concept) could never be controlled by some local statute.

I am not sure if some of the Founding Fathers thought that the citizenship of both of a child's parents was determinative of a NBC status for a child born in the United States. It's highly likely that most of them never cared about or even considered the issue. However, for those who did think that the citizenship of the parents of an American-born child was important to a NBC status, it was because they thought it important who the real parents were. Perhaps they didn't want to confer NBC status upon a child born of a union between some foreign king and an American woman married to another American man no matter what some local statute said.

Have you read the 1948 BNA? It says that UK citizenship only passes to legitimate children of a UK subject, which would not include Barry if his parents marriage was bigamous.

No, I've never read any 1948 BNA and I don't even know what it is. However, assuming Frank Marshall Davis and Stanley Ann Dunham were Obama's parents (as I now suspect), then the British will never claim Obama as a citizen.