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Would Like Advice on a Gun Choice Issue
2/16/13 | lafroste

Posted on 02/16/2013 2:00:47 PM PST by lafroste

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To: Fai Mao
Only looked into it briefly when I saw a mention of a lower made from composites, and it turned out to be an injection molded part with some reinforcement. A cheap alternative to machined aluminum.

This is not nearly the same as a carbon fiber part, assuming such a thing exists. All sorts of things would probably require metal inserts like pin holes and other load bearing surfaces. An answer to a question nobody asked. Not like an AR needs to be even lighter..........

21 posted on 02/16/2013 3:09:10 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: lafroste

I don’t think you should buy one NOW unless it costs around what they did two months ago. I guess it depends on your state. I don’t think the federal ban will pass, but if it does, I think my state will nullify.

I saw New Frontier stripped lowers for over 100.00 on gun broker but I’m thinking they’ll go back down.


22 posted on 02/16/2013 3:10:00 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What about Lowers?


23 posted on 02/16/2013 3:18:47 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: lafroste
At this point, and in this market, you'll go nuts trying to build from parts. Either you won't find them, or you'll have to settle for something you didn't want, and you'll certainly pay all the money for whatever's available. Quality always suffers in panic sprees when manufacturers go into overdrive, as evidenced in 2008. Expect to see more of the same claims being made shortly about components being produced right now.

Bide your time and buy a fully assembled genuine Colt's whenever you find one available and new in the box. Prices are sky-high anyway.

If you'd seen the foolishness I'd seen at the local gun show today, you'll stay home and buy from a reputable online dealer. Have your credit card handy, because you're going to warm that mother up.

24 posted on 02/16/2013 3:26:12 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: MtBaldy

I’m looking for optics but have no idea what to get. Have looked at trijicon and aimpoint. Both are expensive but I’m looking for quality.

Hopefully prices and availability will improve and I can get a couple more.


25 posted on 02/16/2013 3:32:28 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lafroste

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws08jLy31v8


26 posted on 02/16/2013 3:49:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: driftdiver
"I’m looking for optics but have no idea what to get. Have looked at trijicon and aimpoint. Both are expensive but I’m looking for quality.'

Take a look at the Burris AR-332 and AR-536 Prism sights. I have the 332 on a 16" AR-10, and it easily sustains the recoil forces of the .308. It's relatively low profile and compact, and for its size, has good light gathering ability. The reticle can be illuminated in green or red w/ five brightness settings in each color. Best of all, when you turn it off or if the battery fails, you still have the reticle in black.

You can also get kill flash screens and quick detach mounts for them, and will pay far less than you would for a Trij.

27 posted on 02/16/2013 4:03:14 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: lafroste
Don't buy one now.

Wait until the price comes back down.

We've been through this before.

The Left is not going to get a single gun bill passed. They are just stirring up as much dust as possible so while you're paying attention to guns, they get six other things on their bucket list done.

28 posted on 02/16/2013 4:18:55 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: lafroste

Don’t bother with carbon fiber.

If you get a nick or abrasion on it, the first time you run your hand over any fibers that are cut and sticking up from the surface, you’ll be wishing you had bought aluminum.

CF also isn’t something you can re-finish, should you ever wear off the outside finish.

Overall, I really don’t see the point for CF on guns. To add stiffness to a wood stock, sure. But to make a receiver or front tube out of one? It’s a solution in search of a problem.


29 posted on 02/16/2013 4:42:26 PM PST by NVDave
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Carbon fiber is really nasty if you try to sand or machine it. It will tear up your lungs and if any pieces get under your skin you’ll have a very tough time getting them out.


30 posted on 02/16/2013 4:57:41 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I have a slightly different take on this.

Just casual observation, but Carbon Fiber AR15s seem to be slightly easier to find these days. Personally, I would rather have a Carbon Fiber AR15 than no AR15.

If you can find one, go for it.

A close second is a Mini-14, which will fire either .223 or 5.56.


31 posted on 02/16/2013 5:41:30 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: al baby; lafroste

great point al

plastic or aluminum, either one

but no paper


32 posted on 02/16/2013 5:48:05 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: mylife

No stripped lowers were in sight. Plenty of kits.


33 posted on 02/16/2013 5:53:07 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I am surprised.


34 posted on 02/16/2013 5:55:28 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CurlyDave

Good point but my money is on the shortage easing up in 6 months or so.


35 posted on 02/16/2013 6:15:34 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Correct. Run parallel paths. Place an order for a fully built now, and have fun parting one while the other is being built. But definitely get in the queue for one NOW!


36 posted on 02/16/2013 6:27:37 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: lafroste
Your gut reaction may be wrong. It's my understanding that plastic lowers (Carbon 15 by Bushmaster comes to mind) can crack and are generally regarded as less sturdy than aluminum. I would just get an aluminum AR, they're still fairly light and well made ones can last a long time, like M16s made in the sixties are still in use kinda long. Someone may own a plastic AR and disagree, that's fine. This is just my opinion.

Getting mags may be less difficult than finding reasonably priced ammo to fill them. Ammo choice is another hot topic, I really like the terminal effects of M193 spec ammo so I try to stockpile that (Federal XM193 is well liked), there are better rounds in existence if I understand correctly. Mk262 spec ammo tends to have better terminal effects at 300+ meters, and Mk318 spec is supposed to be a better penetrating version of Mk262. Those rounds are sometimes used by the spec ops guys iirc. The modern spec military ball is M855, it behaves similar to M193 but fragmentation amount and range tends to be lower. It does a better job of penetration than M193 but I tend to favor a greater fragmentation range over increased penetration (5.56 is small, I want the greatest terminal effect I can get from it, M193 fragments dramatically, leaving exit wounds far out of proportion to entry wounds.). Others may disagree. This is just my somewhat researched opinion.

37 posted on 02/16/2013 6:35:59 PM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: driftdiver

The Aimpoint is nice and has seen a lot of combat in the middle east. Two things swayed me to the Eotech. The Aimpoint red dot can be seen from in FRONT of the weapon possibly giving your position away. Military in combat in the Middle East are spending THEIR OWN money to put Eotechs on their weapons. Granted they get a huge military discount but still.. Battery life is much better on the Aimpoint but still pretty good on the Eotech. I consider my AR-15 as a 100 to maybe 200 yard weapon. If I need to go farther than that I have a Savage 10FP in .308 with a 6-24x50 Vortex Viper PST scope that even my tired old eyes can hit with out to 300-400 yards. With better eyes and more skill the rifle should make hits out to 800 yards or so.


38 posted on 02/16/2013 8:51:06 PM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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