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On Firearms Legislation Compromise (vanity)
Dan Lanctot

Posted on 02/08/2013 6:37:46 AM PST by Erunamina

The President and the national media have created a crisis that they say must be addressed—the crisis of gun crime. In fact, crime is at a long-time low, and the crisis is a farce (check out FBI crime statistics if you don't believe me). Nevertheless, the President insists that we must do something about it, and has introduced legislation ostensibly to that end. He says that those who disagree with him ought to be willing to compromise.

What nobody's mentioning is that the current situation is already the vilest of compromises.

So I agree with the President; let's do something—even though the crisis he cites is a lie. If we're going to compromise, let's not start from the status quo. Rather than merely reacting to legislation (that regurgitates failed, dishonest measures) and compromising on its terms, let's introduce a better version and force the hand of the other side.

Repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. Teachers and school staff shouldn't have to give up their constitutional rights when they go to work, and students shouldn't be placed in zones where everyone's defenseless. Students' parents should be allowed to carry their weapons on school grounds as well.

Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1934, and destroy all registration documentation created under it. Everyone who was penalized under it is entitled to compensation with interest, because this legislation is unconstitutional and as such never carried the force of law.

Repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Its sporting-purposes provision, in particular, is blatantly unconstitutional, and federal regulation is not required for this subset of interstate commerce. Furthermore, laws preventing criminals from obtaining guns don't work well. Since regulation doesn't work, it's time to try deregulation.

Create mandatory reciprocity among states for carry of firearms. This isn't a states' rights issue; it's a Bill of Rights issue. Many would cry foul if states tried to enact speech laws analogous to Chicago's or New York's gun laws. And rightly. Don't allow extremists to limit the constitutional rights of citizens who reside in their jurisdiction.

In addition, anyone who has been fined or otherwise punished under the repealed legislation is entitled to compensation with interest for having their property stolen or their liberty taken by unconstitutional legislation that never rightly carried the weight of law.

Any other thoughts?


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; guns; legislation; liberty

1 posted on 02/08/2013 6:38:01 AM PST by Erunamina
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To: Erunamina

No . more . compromise with wannabe tyrants and their quisling sycophants.

Good like trying to enforce any such anti-constitutional legislation.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 6:43:59 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Erunamina

No . more . compromise with wannabe tyrants and their quisling sycophants.

Good luck trying to enforce any such anti-constitutional legislation.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 6:44:19 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Erunamina

Welcome to FR.
Repealing the laws you mentioned has about as much chance of happening as I do of dating a fashion model.
Unfortunately.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 6:50:14 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Westbrook

Really? You need only look at the article to see all of the unconstitutional laws that we are already enforcing.


5 posted on 02/08/2013 7:00:08 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Erunamina
Many would cry foul if states tried to enact speech laws analogous to Chicago's or New York's gun laws. And rightly.

Only rightly to the extent that state Constitutions protect free speech. The First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law ..." which opens up the possibility of states legislating speech or religion however they see fit. The Second Amendment, however, has no such qualification, stating merely "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." So according to a reading of the Bill of Rights, gun restrictions at any level are unacceptable, and in particular less acceptable than speech restrictions at the state level.

6 posted on 02/08/2013 7:58:15 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Erunamina

Well ...

I want ALL (and I mean ALL, every letter of it) gun control legislation to be repealed TODAY.

That’s the starting point for any ‘compromise’ with the leftist tyrants.

I might be willing to compromise, and put off some of the repeals unto tomorrow.


7 posted on 02/08/2013 8:00:23 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Westbrook
Compromise with the gun grabbers is entirely acceptable, compromise meaning giving something up to get something else. The trouble is that the word "compromise" has been redefined to mean "partial surrender," like agreeing with a robber to only give up half the contents of your wallet, instead of all of it. That isn't compromise, that's still surrender in that one gains nothing. A proper compromise does not cede any net position. Agreeing to only half the gun grabber's demands instead of all of them is not compromise either, any more than the example with the robber. Repealing NFA '34 and the '86 ban in FOPA in exchange for accepting background (registration) checks at gun shows (but, only at gun shows) is compromise, and one that might possibly make sense to accept. If only the Republicans (1) understood what "compromise" actually means, and (2) were willing to offer real compromises in the face of pressure to grab guns against the backdrop of events like Sandy Hook.
8 posted on 02/08/2013 8:26:59 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Erunamina

Compromise is each party giving up something to the other till a consensus is reached.

So, who has what to give up.

We got guns, they got nothing.

If we give up some of our gun rights what will THEY give up? Nothing because they got nothing.

In the past about thirty years ago the antis wanted to negotiate and THIS IS WHAT THEY DEMANDED!

WE MUST GIVE UP OUR HANDGUNS, and WE COULD KEEP OUR RIFLES!

What would THE ANTI-GUN PEOPLE GIVE UP? NOTHING.

No negotiations! Hold the Line!


9 posted on 02/08/2013 8:31:37 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: Darksheare
Repealing the laws you mentioned has about as much chance of happening as I do of dating a fashion model.

The gun-grabbing tyrants have been pushing their crap for years.

We need to push our POV even harder (because the communists in Big Media oppose us), however unlikely our goals may seem now.

10 posted on 02/08/2013 8:35:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yes, we do.
The 1934 National Firearms Act was initially billed as only impacting gangsters.
*heh*
Now it’s practically enshrined.
The “Saturday Night Special” law was billed as only impacting “Gang members”.

It should be quite easy to illustrate what the real impacts were.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 9:32:28 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Durus

Then it’s past time for more of this ...

http://mynorthwest.com/11/2195317/Crowd-packs-heat-Oak-Harbor-backs-down


12 posted on 02/08/2013 10:33:32 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Erunamina
Any other thoughts?

From earlier posts:
1) CCW licensees can have firearms shipped directly to them instead of going through a dealer. They have already passed the state and federal background so anything more is just harassment.
2) CCW licensees can buy a handgun in another state, for the same reasons stated above.
3) C&R holders for the same reasons. (Local sheriff has to give his OK to get one.)

Throw so many of our demands at them that they'll say "For Chrissakes, don't propose any more anti-gun laws! Looks what they asked for the last time!"

Let's put those demands to the GOA and NRA. Where in the Hell are OUR "leaders"?

13 posted on 02/08/2013 12:06:02 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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