Posted on 01/27/2013 7:25:19 AM PST by Seizethecarp
Sheriff Joe Arpaio's lead Obama investigator Mike Zullo appeared on Carl Gallups' radio show Freedom Friday. Zullo repeated that the Obama investigation never stopped and that the only thing that stopped is the media coverage around the investigation....
Zullo says; "We are so convinced... let me go out on limb... I am going to put my reputation out there that we have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt--the higher standard--beyond a reasonable doubt that this document is an utter forgery."
Zullo also says; "the evidence we have acquired, new found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity, will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100% a forgery."
(edge919) None of those three rise to standards of the Federal Rules of Evidence in certifying the document as CORRECT.
(CS) The State of Hawaii has verified that the information on the posted long form birth certificate matches the information on Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth. This is not rocket science. Any court will accept the verification as prima facie evidence of the details of the data verified. You're not comparing dollar bills, you're comparing information. "August 4, 1961" on the posted long form matches the "August 4, 1961" on the original Certificate of Live Birth. It's the information which matters and that is what Hawaii has verified.
(edge919) The MDEC was not "required" submit a letter of verification from the state of Hawaii, but they did. But they shouldn't have to ask for a letter of verification to begin with because their buddy and co-defendant Obama should have a spare copy of his alleged certified hard copy of his B/C. He claimed to have obtained TWO copies in April 2011. That's what the extra copy was for, wasn't it?? To submit in court where it has been challenged. Why did he need two if he's not going to use EITHER??
(CS) While Obama may be listed as a defendent in this suit, I don't believe he was ever successfully served by Dr. Taitz, so legally he is not a defendent at this point.
Dr. Taitz included a poor copy of Obama's long form birth certificate in one of her motions. The lawyers for the MDEC included a more legible copy of the LFBC with their reply, which led Dr. Taitz to ask the court to sanction the lawyers for submitting a forged document. I doubt the lawyers considered asking Obama (who was not their client not a legal part of the lawsuit at this point) for one of his copies of the LFBC. Instead the lawyers asked the State of Hawaii, the official record keeper, for a verification of the information contained on the copy of the LFBC that the lawyers had given to Mississippi. Lawyers ask states for documentation every day. This is just standard operating procedure, not a big deal.
(CS) So yes, if Obama is ever REQUIRED by a court to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, I believe he will do so.
(edge919) You still haven't explained why you have such an irrational belief. Have you not seen Obama go out of his way to avoid presenting this document in court?? You're like Charlie Brown expecting Obama to actually hold the football for you to kick.
(CS) Irrational? Let's see, Obama is the first president to produce both his Certificate of Live Birth and his Long Form Birth Certificate. Hawaii has stated that Obama was born there and has produced three verifications of Obama's birth. Yeah, they're all trying to hide something.
No he did not.
His own lawyer wouldn't let him hold the piece of paper at that press conference to defraud the American public.
WHERE IS THAT CERTIFIED BC (Long or short) with requisite seals?
Onaka wrote:
“I verify that the information in the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth for Mr. Obama that you attached with your request matches the original record in our file”.
Onaka wrote "original record" not "original birth certificate." Stop misquoting him.
The "original record" could be anything but an "original birth certificate." The information could have come from Obama himself to get a non-valid COLB.
Definitely a Retread Troll.
“It’s going to get wild.”
PING
Most of Communism’s 45 goals to take down America have been met
http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2013/130130/news-communism.html
SNIP
Zullo said the White House and Hawaii officials conspired to create a record that was never there.
He also said there is no evidence Obama was in Hawaii before age five and there is no evidence as to who his parents are.
“We have a list of people who need to be compelled to talk,” said Zullo, adding, “This investigation isn’t over. I can’t talk much more about where we’re going. It’s going to get wild.”
Zullo said, “You guys aren’t conspiracy nuts. You know the truth,” and brought up “gaslighting,” a form of psychological abuse where false information is presented with the intent of making the victims doubt themselves and which can be done on a mass scale.
He said, “The media has been using this for decades.”
I suggest that you take a look at the Verification of Birth (http://www.scribd.com/doc/96200621/2012-06-06-MDEC-Motion-to-Supplement-Response-to-Motion-for-Sanctions-S-D-Miss) that the State of Hawaii provided to the attorneys for the Mississippi Democratic Party. In it Onaka wrote:
Pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-14.3, I verify the following:
1. The original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II, is on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.
2. The information contained in the “Certificate of Live Birth” published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.
Moreover, above his signature, it states:
I certify that the information contained in the vital record on file with the Department of Health was used to verify the facts of the vital event.
I notice the troll is still here. I alerted mods, I wonder if they’re paying attention.
I just found a mozlem troll on this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2983557/posts?page=34
Calls himself “Last Prophet” and the one comment I saw was obviously mozlem troll. 2 week old or so signup date.
Thanks for the ping!
This is a LEGALLY meaningless claim. Again, the FRE requires that the record be certified as CORRECT. Second the law in Hawaii says the existence of a record shall be verified through a letter of verification or any other facts, as stated by the applicant. Asking if information "matches" doesn't amount to stating specific FACTS for verifiation. It's a good dog and pony show, but it is NOT a legal verification in accordance with either the Federal Rules of Evidence or Hawaii's own statute on letters of verification. Having a record on file with matching information doesn't say whether the information on file is CORRECT. That's what a certified birth certificate is designed to do, but a letter of verification falls way short of certifying birth facts when they are not specifically stated. Let this sink in to your head.
Irrational? Let's see, Obama is the first president to produce both his Certificate of Live Birth and his Long Form Birth Certificate.
Actually, this simply isn't true. Eisenhower obtained a birth certificate prior to running for president. Yes, Obama is the first to have jpgs and PDFs posted on a website, but this doesn't say anything about whether he will actually present these alleged documents in a court of law, especially when he's already refused to do so in dozens of previous opportunites. So AGAIN, why this irrational belief??
What on God's green earth is "birther whack-a-mole"?? What the hell does an appeal have to do with anything?? And what threats of sanctions?? Earth to Johnny, time to bring yourself out of the clouds.
“They are simply doing the work that the bogus mainstream media should have done. “
What work? Nothing has come of it. Lots of promises, but no results.
There was a challenge that was withdrawn because of harassment.
The founders of this country were harassed, but some gave all in the effort to throw off the tyrant of the day.
You dismissed my metaphors to that period in the same manner as an Obot judge dismisses a birther case.
Yes, harassment of people who weren't involved in the challenge.
The founders of this country were harassed, but some gave all in the effort to throw off the tyrant of the day.
Right, they banded together. Nobody banded together in the challenge that was made.
You dismissed my metaphors to that period in the same manner as an Obot judge dismisses a birther case.
No, I dismissed your metaphors to that period because they are poor metaphors for this situation. You dismissed my metaphors to that period in the same manner as an Obot judge dismisses a birther case.
Isn’t that type of harassment a crime?
Where can we read the story?
I didn't list a "type" of harassment. Not all types rise to a level of explicit criminal activity, although that doesn't mean it's acceptable or proper behavior.
Where can we read the story?
There are stories posted in several places. Google is your friend.
There’s another troll with a name sort of like that one - oh yeah, Conscience of a Conservative. Trolls like these aren’t banned any more for some reason; the mozlem one I found is still here. Maybe mods are bizzy.
I don’t view Taitz and her followers as you do. I believe that with the job Obama and his enablers have done to obfuscate his history any light on such is like the drip-drip of a water pipe that will eventually lead to the big leak. There are quite a few others that push the same agenda as Taitz from their own baseline and perspective. I tend to believe that all these people including Taitz are honest and wanting the best for the USA as to It’s Constitutional foundation and are willing to give more effort for such a goal than others. As for me they should not be derided as long as they are on a patriot’s true and legitimate path. They are no more fools than other persons I look to for honest information.
No, you’re wrong about the authority of a verification letter. As I said, I am not a lawyer, so I will instead quote from the lawyers who requested the verification (see http://www.scribd.com/doc/96289285/Mississippi-Democratic-Party-Motion-v-Taitz):
The Hawaii Verification, which (a) contains the seal of the Hawaii State Department of Health (an agency of a state of the United States), and (b) was executed via signature and initials by Dr. Onaka, is self-authenticating pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 902. Moreover, the Hawaii DOH Verification is not subject to the hearsay rule pursuant to Fed. R. Evid. 803 (9). That Dr. Onaka is the Hawaii State Registrar with authority to provide information regarding vital records on file with the Hawaii Department of Health is an undisputed fact.
The Hawaii verification provides official confirmation that the “information” – i.e., each and every vital fact of President Obama’s birth stated in the LFBC posted at whitehouse.gov – is the same information contained in his original LFBC on file with the department. As such, the Hawaii Verification – with under Haw. Rev. Stat. § 338-14.3 (b) “shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and the facts of the event are as stated by the application” – clearly establishes the veracity of the LFBC posted at whitehouse.gov and confirms that no fraud occurred either in the posting of the document on whitehouse.gov or in MDEC Counsel’s submission of a copy of the LFBC as an exhibit in these proceedings. See, e.g., In re Doe, 981 P.2d 723 (Haw. Ct. App. 1999) (”to verify includes to confirm or establish the truth or truthfulness of; to confirm or establish the authenticity of; to authenticate.”) (internal quotations omitted); Amfac, Inc. v. Waikiki Beachcomber Inv. Co., 839 P.2d 10 (Haw. 1992) (”Verification” is defined as “evidence that establishes or confirms... accuracy or truth...” or “the process... required to prove or establish authenticity or validity.” Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language 1587 (1989). To “verify” means “[t]o prove to be true; to confirm or establish the truth or truthfulness of; to check or test the accuracy or exactness of; to confirm or establish the authenticity of; to authenticate... Black’s Law Dictionary 1561 (6th ed. 1990).”).
I started posting on this thread because I am fed up with folks like Zullo stringing people along.
The reason I joined the Free Republic was to ‘expose’ ConstantSkeptic. Ladies and Gentlemen, he is a member of Fogbow who goes by the poster name ‘Epectitus’. He also goes by the name ‘HistorianDude’ on other internet forums defending Obama’s eligibility. He also wrote ‘The Annotated Zullo’ a 50 page detailed hit piece slamming lead investigator Mike Zullo’s Cold Case Posse evidence on Obama’s fraudulent Birth Certificate and Selective Service Registration U.S. Postal Pica Date Stamp. I knew right off it was him by his addicting constant habit of posting on nothing but Obama’s eligibility threads compiled with his smart eleck attitude towards others who disagree with him. It was a dead give away. I had to act.
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