Posted on 01/19/2013 9:23:55 AM PST by ABrit
.....During the 2008 campaign, Obama admitted Lolo Soetoro was his step-father and he was in Indonesia in 1968 attending elementary school. Lolo Soetoro and Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham-Soetoro, were married in Hawaii in 1965. Obama campaign supporters have consistently and repeatedly insisted Indonesian Law would not allow Obama to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro and he could not be naturalized as an Indonesian citizen because of his age. Furthermore, Obama supporters insist his Indonesian citizenship is irrelevant to his allegience to the United States as a natural born citizen of the United States.
Obama was not adopted in Indonesia. He was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii in 1967. When the Soetoro adoption was finalized in 1967, Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed by order of the Court and archived by the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH). A sealed vital record is null and void for all future legal or administrative proceedings. In addition to sealing Obama's original long form birth certificate, the Court ordered a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) created and filed by the registrar of HDOH. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the paternal parent for Barry Soetoro for a live birth on August 4, 1961, Honolulu, HI and filed on August 8, 1961.....
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Onyango Obama played soccer and joined the debate and newspaper clubs at the former Browne & Nichols School in Cambridge
CLASS OF 1966.
Most of these early "supporters" of the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF were party to the Communists "spooks".
There's a great volume of history you have to go through to understand this, and it goes back to about 1850.
Read these three articles on one of my earlier post:
It's deep, it's ugly, and most people WILL NOT ... CAN NOT ... accept the truth.
Now I’m going to throw in there that I don’t believe for a cotton-picken moment that Stanley Ann Dunham had a child either in Hawaii or in Kenya. She wasn’t in Hawaii when she supposedly met that kenyan student. Zero wrote in ‘Dreams’ that the Dunhams moved to Hawaii in 1959, Maya says, after they scattered the ashes of Madelyn, that Madelyn had lived in Hawaii since 1959, true to ‘Dreams’ no doubt. ‘Classmates’ offered that Stanley Armour left for Hawaii before Madelyn and her mother; Madelyn, they said, waited until SAD finished high school in the summer of 1960, and THEN they both jumped on an aircraft...the entry for ANN S OBAMA in the 1961-1962 Polk at the address in Honolulu is supposedly the house the Dunhams shared with the Pratt family for whom Stanley Armour worked at the furniture store...and their daughter says she doesn’t remember a Dunham daughter with a baby.
Stanley Ann met the kenyan student in a Russian Class in 1960 at the East West Centre?
The East West Centre didn’t open until 1962.
And the ANNA OBAMA who appeared in the Seattle Directory for 1961-1962 was the girl Mary baby-sat for when her own daughter, who was born in July 1959, was 18 months of age...so she baby-sat for ANNA in January 1961, way before Stanley Ann Dunham finished high school, where-ever that was.
You’re still spamming and I’ve lost interest in anything you have to say. Uncle Omar has LOTS to do with IT. The docs displayed by The Daily Pen which you rely upon, show ONE INDIVIDUAL entering from Kenya. That one individual might well have been the student who attended the class of 1966 at the private school in Cambridge.
Class of 1966 commenced in Fall of 1962.
The kenyan left Hawaii in Summer 1962. The brothers shared accommodation. But you don’t want to acknowledge that.
I’m confident that it happened like I show you in comment #343, and Hillary has the proof.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2979853/posts?page=296#296
You aren’t buying it, remember?
That’s why there’s no room for OMAR in your scenario, because that throws the birth in kenya into doubt. And Mary baby-sitting in January 1961 doesn’t fit an August birth for zero either. I could shoot holes throught your entire spam. But I’m tired of it.
Did you know that CORA WEISS has admiited the kenyan was NOT part of the airlift...? He was already in Hawaii when the first aircraft with 81 students landed at Idlewild and was met by CORA and MALCOLM X.
His fare was paid by the Laubach Society courtesy of Elizabeth Mooney.
Then by all means remain confident, keep spamming, and don’t allow anything to interfere with your assumptions. It’s a ‘free’ country.
Extend me the same courtesy.
btw, I notice you have a link to OBAMA THE AFRICAN COLONIAL article. You may find some of the 800 + research comments usefull background:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts
Your reading comprehension is woeful, The Daily Pen maintains the kenyan student had TWO SONS - showing in British archives born at certain dates. From this, you assume you have uncovered a birth for zero in Kenya.
ONE OF THOSE ENTRIES HAD TO BE MALIK. It was Malik who talks about the boy with whom he lived, it was Malik who talked about his brother becoming a teacher in Uganda, it was Malik who was the FIRST SON, therefor the boy whom he describes has to be THE SECOND SON.
Your rudeness is only exceeded by your refusal to allow anything other than your assumptions to enter your thick head.
And as Malik didn’t live or play with zero in Kenya, and zero didn’t teach school in Uganda, who do you think Malik was talking about?
Don’t answer that. Keep on spamming.
This is all irrelevant because we know the CDC collected and coded information for the purposes of issuing natality reports. Regardless of whether any states' certificates are pre-coded or whether those codes are used or not, the VSIM you posted contains problems in that they don't jibe with natality reports that have been posted online already.
You can contact the CDC to ask after the pre Aug. 14th 1961 VSIM. Why dont you? I only went after a copy because Dr. Con. said that one did not exist. Turns out he hadnt really tried all that hard to get one, he admitted that.
People know who he is and it's already been documented that they don't cooperate with him. It's not too hard to imagine that somebody could have lied to him about whether other manuals existed or not. It doesn't matter so much because the manual you produced still doesn't jibe with CDC reports.
YES, for all of the time you waste on here trying to stir people up you could have contacted the CDC a dozen times over to satisfy your own curiosity. Thats what I did.
I didn't try to stir anyone up. This is you being a drama queen because I pointed out obvious problems with your research. I don't care whether that "stirs" someone up. It's not a waste of time to point out there were problems with the alleged manual because other people here at freerepublic deserve to know about these problems. It's way too similar to the crap that Dr. Conspiracy tried to get away with, and it's no surprise that he and other Obots were trying to give you high-fives on your blog at the time. Evidently it helped give you a false sense of accomplishment.
People like you dont ever bother to do any research for themselves.
Sorry, but this is nonsense. If I hadn't done any research I wouldn't be able to point the obvious problems with the manual you posted. I found CDC documents online that showed that persons were still classified as Black despite being born outside the United States, unlike what your manual and what Dr. Conspiracy's alleged manual claims. I found a Natality Report that Dr. Conspiracy claimed didn't exist. I found another report from the CDC that showed that one of these alleged organizations that allegedly put out Dr. Conspiracy's VSIM did not exist until years AFTER the date of that report. You're simply making a baseless assumption because you don't like having someone show you to be wrong. Deal with it.
Your type just like to try and undermine others who do. I find it telling that you claim the more proof and detail that I provide the less credible the proof is. Whaaaaa? Thats why I find you so funny.
Thanks, but you're trying way too hard to bluff your way out of admitting that your VSIM is useless. It's kind of hypocritical to go on with nonsense like this after accusing me of trying to stir people up.
“This is all irrelevant because we know the CDC collected and coded information for the purposes of issuing natality reports. Regardless of whether any states’ certificates are pre-coded or whether those codes are used or not, the VSIM you posted contains problems in that they don’t jibe with natality reports that have been posted online already.”
Sooooooooo, post your proof. I’m sure it will be interesting. And irrefutable. And all that. Did you post it previously?
And by Dr. Con. - I meant Dr. Conspiracy. Duh.
Again, the federal codes in 1961 are completely irrelevant to the state codes applied at the local level. Hence - the nativity reports compiled from the info coded at the federal level STILL would be irrelevant to the local coding - which is the point that I was making.
If YOU have proof that the data compiled after the revised 1961 VSIM invalidates the summaries, by all means do an article about that - it should be very fascinating. I am certain that we should all enjoy reading it.
Only “drama queen” would be you.
That’s why you make us laugh.
I'm pretty sure I did, but we don't have to look for an old post. I said these reports are online, so here's one that specifically talks about how persons are classified as Negroes when they are foreign-born, which would not be allowed for under the coding procedures in your manual.
See the 25th and 29th pages of the PDF in this report from 1960.
This is a CDC report and it references racial classifications as cited from the 1960 VSIM with NO instruction on using the foreign birth place of a Negro father to classify race as "other nonwhite" and the second page gives a table listing classification of foreign-born and Negro together. Again, this would be not possible under the instructions in the alleged manual you posted.
Again, the federal codes in 1961 are completely irrelevant to the state codes applied at the local level. Hence - the nativity reports compiled from the info coded at the federal level STILL would be irrelevant to the local coding - which is the point that I was making.
We don't know that the Federal codes are irrelevant to state codes. In the link I just provided, the footnote about the 1960 VSIM references in parentheses "State and NOVS coding" ... NOVS stands for National Office of Vital Statistics.
If YOU have proof that the data compiled after the revised 1961 VSIM invalidates the summaries, by all means do an article about that - it should be very fascinating. I am certain that we should all enjoy reading it.
I don't need to "do an article." I just gave you a report that explains how these things worked prior to your "revised in August" VSIM.
Only drama queen would be you.
Thats why you make us laugh.
What "us"?? No one is else is defending you.p
No one else is still reading the thread. Well except for you.
You can’t seem to get the notion through your head that I did not make ANY claims about the 1961 - not 1960 -the 1961 revised VSIM, having anything to do with ANYTHING other than regarding obamas birth certificate.
That relationship was born from Corsi via The Daily Pen code chart, and Corsi had Zullo publicly make statements as “facts” when there was nothing to support those “facts”.
Your 1960 report doesn’t even factor into anything I worked on. At all, or in any way. IT DOES NOT MATTER. Why do you keep inserting a 1960 manual into the conversation?
Read carefully: I searched for the VSIM because of the growing controversy about whether the code chart shown on the screen at Zullos presser was in fact from the 1961 fed. VSIM. All of the little side arguments were/are stupid distractions.
Zullo had stated as a fact that the code chart he was showing was the one used to determine which code numbers WENT ON OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
We found out that was not true.
The FEDERAL code chart, the FEDERAL manuals, and the FEDERAL reports have zero, zip, nada, relationship to the code numbers that were ON OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
That was the information that I was after. Even Zullo admitted that he had not wanted to use Corsi’s scripting about those codes because he felt the evidence to support that was too weak.
You keep trying to imply that I was misrepresenting something. It’s weird this thing you are doing.
I looked for that 61 VSIM because of the chart controversy and the obots claiming that Zullo knowingly lied - Dr. Conspiracy also claimed that he was told no 61 VSIM existed. One had to have existed so I asked around and was directed to the CDC. No big mystery. Dr. Consp. DID have a 68 VSIM which had a chart just like the one used on The Daily Pen - which was the one used in Corsi’s presentation given by Zullo.
What my research did: 1)simply proved that those penciled codes were not applied from a federal VSIM. 2)The federal manual was not used to determine the race of the PARENTS. 3)That some states used a state specific code manual at the local levels and applied the penciled codes at the local offices prior to the birth certificates being microfilmed. 4)There was A 61 VSIM still in existence,revised or otherwise. 5) The chart shown at the Corsi/Zullo presser was almost certainly from a 68 VSIM. 6) That the 1961 federal VSIM was completely irrelevant in regards to THE PENCILED CODES ON OBAMAS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
That was the information I was after. There, do you understand it now? Corsi pushed the meme that the parents race was determined by the fed code books, but it wasn’t, so the fed codes didn’t matter on that point. The fed books explained how to code the childs race by the information contained in the race fields on the birth certificates. Did the reports have ANY data on the parents business? No.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923
FYI - excerpt:
RB: The instructions seemed very specific. Infiltrate web forums, collect screen names, avatars, and posters tag lines, and attempt to resolve these to their actual identities. I read one paragraph that listed circumstances when the asset was only to monitor but do not disrupt without authorization. There was another section titled Divert, Disrupt and Destroy, listing how tos in certain cases.
There was also a section on maintaining a social media presence, and another on the most effective use of Twitter.
Lastly, there was a reference section, which included statistics, specific language to use to marginalize different posters, and effective methods to discredit people while maintaining a sense of legitimacy.
It was surreal, to say the least.
Oh, one more thing thats important. As I said, these kids, or young people I believe, are known collectively as Cyber-Warriors for Obama. The subheading was And the truth shall set you free. Truth? Really? They were hired on their hacking abilities, or more precisely on their abilities to make postings through proxy servers and effectively use alternate identities and multiple e-mail addresses. Their purpose is to spread disinformation, not truth.
Dirty little scrunts, ain’t they?
Placemark and greetings.
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