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In the Gun Debate, How Far is Too Far
Radio Free NJ ^ | 1/12/2013 | Tom

Posted on 01/13/2013 7:16:26 AM PST by frithguild

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1 posted on 01/13/2013 7:16:28 AM PST by frithguild
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To: frithguild
Ben Franklin Stamp act testimony. (Ben used a bit more tact than this guy but not much)

Benjamin Franklin, Testimony Against the Stamp Act (1766)

Q. Do you think the people of America would submit to pay the stamp duty, if it was moderated?

A. No, never, unless compelled by force of arms. . . .


And again

Q. Can anything less than a military force carry the Stamp Act into execution?

A. I do not see how a military force can be applied to that purpose.

Q. Why may it not?

A. Suppose a military force sent into America; they will find nobody in arms; what are they then to do? They cannot force a man to take stamps who chooses to do without them. They will not find a rebellion; they may indeed make one.


And one more time.

Q. Is there no means of obliging them to erase those resolutions?

A. None that I know of; they will never do it, unless compelled by force of arms.

2 posted on 01/13/2013 7:24:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: frithguild

Rule #1: Don’t hand the enemy effective propaganda! JY didn’t only shoot himself in the foot with his shooting threats, he shot our cause in the foot.


3 posted on 01/13/2013 7:25:03 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: frithguild

I posted this the ither day, but it was the last post on the thread very late and really, no one saw it. So reposting. Would like to know what others think.

Friday, January 11, 2013 1:13:47 PM
MestaMachine to Travis McGee
obama and company are intent on doing this fast. VERY fast. They think the faster they move, the less time we will have to organize and plan. They think we haven’t really seen this coming or didn’t believe it would ever happen, and sadly, to a great extent, they were right.
They intend to overwhelm us with chaos and confusion
I believe they will think they have won in the early stages, but as the general public begins to comprehend that this is for real, the ‘nothing left to lose’ mindset will take hold and the bloody backlash will be something they never expected or bargained for.
It is a terrible way to learn the lessons we have been trying to teach, but terrible it will be for all sides. We will not escape this reality, and neither will they.
War is hell, but slavery and tyranny is far, far worse.
We WILL fight and many who started out against us will come over. The military, if it does not intervene on our behalf in the beginning, will find itself with more internal strife than it can handle. Desertions and fragging will be impossible to control.
Government employees are still Americans. It is the corrupt and power hungry leaders who will have the most to fear, and we will MAKE them fear.
They will try to isolate us from each other, but they will find that impossible as their isolation increases and their power dwindles away.
WE see outcomes. They do not. They have not truly contemplated the consequences of their actions and they will lose.
FREEDOM IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE.
In this case, that is the truth and it will work FOR us, not against us, as they so self-righteously, stupidly, and wrongly think.
WOLVERINES!!!


4 posted on 01/13/2013 7:29:10 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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May I suggest to Mr. Yeager he needs to step back and contemplate how he looks to the conservative leaning ladies. They appreciate real men with “potency” (see Ann Barnhardt) but they don’t really feel comfortable with the wild eyed look. So I suggest to Mr. Yeager his next video appearance he wear a long sleeve shirt and calmly but firmly explain that he will not allow tyranny end of point. Folks we need the ladies.


5 posted on 01/13/2013 7:31:49 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: junta

There was a great deal of wisdom in the way Ben Franklin warned the British that they were going to cause violence.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 7:36:50 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Travis McGee
If Yeager was a chick, every guy on this forum would be commenting on his "crazy eyes."

I do think he shot off his mouth, and I would advise him to make sure his brain is engaged before doing so next time. Having said that I'll reluctantly argue for his first and second amendment rights, knowing in advance that sometimes when you close ranks around a person like Yeager, he'll still insist on standing in the middle of the room, schlong in hand, pissing on everybody trying to protect him.

He may be an idiot, but for now, he remains our idiot.

7 posted on 01/13/2013 7:37:59 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: junta; Travis McGee

Being female my own self, I think we are smart enough to know the wheat from the chaff. Yeager is one whose mouth outpaces his brain. We know many others who do not bark but will damn well bite when it is necessary. Matt, for instance.


8 posted on 01/13/2013 7:40:32 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: junta
"Mr. Yeager he needs to step back and contemplate how he looks to the conservative leaning ladies...(see Ann Barnhardt)"

LOL...Ann Barnhardt criticized Yeager for backing down...

Yeager Flinched, CCW Permit Suspended Posted by Ann Barnhardt - January 11, AD 2013 5:26 PM MST

You never, ever flinch. Ever.

Sigh. "

9 posted on 01/13/2013 7:43:09 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: frithguild
Question: "In the Gun Debate, How Far is Too Far"

Answer: There is no debate, discussion or the expression of different points of view. One does not discuss with anti-gun people one commands them!

10 posted on 01/13/2013 7:43:54 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Joe 6-pack
How bout this guy, does he have the crazy eyes too?


11 posted on 01/13/2013 7:45:20 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: Travis McGee

He may not have said as eloquently as others may have done it, but he still said what needed to be said.

Said often.

Said loudly.

Not one more inch. Not without bleeding for it.


12 posted on 01/13/2013 7:46:32 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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13 posted on 01/13/2013 7:48:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: junta
May I suggest to Mr. Yeager he needs to step back and contemplate how he looks to the conservative leaning ladies.

Then, there is the cult of Jax Teller ...

14 posted on 01/13/2013 7:49:04 AM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: MestaMachine

Thanks.

We need to keep our heads. When emotion and anger ratchet up, rational thinking goes down, and mistakes are made.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 7:49:43 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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As I've said almost continually for years... "Liberals are cowards." They will happily knuckle under to anyone who threatens to use force to support their political position. That's why they've maintained a policy of preemptive surrender in all international conflict, and will happily bully non violent Christians domestically while they cower in fear of violence from a tiny Muslim minority.

They are not acting out of cowardice. It is a concept that author Micheal Prell calls "Underdogma".

They support the tiny Muslim minority precisely because they are a tiny minority. They're convinced that a minority, an "underdog", has virtue simply because it is in the minority.

Conversely, America is the top dog. The top dog is evil, simply because it is the top dog. Nobody (except them) gets to be top dog out of merit, it is always by cheating and evil. As part of this tog dog group, liberals exhibit a tremendous amount of self-hate.

They believe that everyone should be on the same level and that everything should be "fair". Of course, the top dog has had it so good for so long, he needs to suffer for a time at the hands of the newly elevated underdog. How long does the top dog need to suffer? Nobody has figured that out yet. They'll let everyone know when the time is right.

16 posted on 01/13/2013 7:50:21 AM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Kozak
"How bout this guy, does he have the crazy eyes too? "

Given the manner in which he committed suicide, probably not any more.

17 posted on 01/13/2013 7:51:31 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Travis McGee

True. I’m thinking that Yeager saw a 15 minute moment of fame opportunity and went for it without thinking through the consequences.


18 posted on 01/13/2013 7:53:10 AM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: Travis McGee

Most people in dictatorship rule , know not to speak out against the dictator.

1st continental congress met in secret.
Their discussions & plans were not shared with
the king.

Either act or don’t act.


19 posted on 01/13/2013 7:58:24 AM PST by Morris70
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To: frithguild

So they yanked his pistol permit! I wonder how many law-abiding Americans do NOT have so-called ‘pistol permits’? I say, so-called, because they are UnConstitutional, (shall not be infringed). How many may have a ‘truck gun’? A ‘glove box’ gun? Hmm?? The Usurper, Communist Baboon, and Thug-In-Charge, wanted to make it illegal in his home state, to own a firearm within your home! What part of “shall not be infringed”, did the renowned and acclaimed ‘Constitutional Scholar’ miss on his collegiate examinations?

A municipal ‘pistol permit’ is something that could be revoked. As of late, the U.S. Constitution still stands.

Long live the Republic!
(”Dress RIGHT!”)


20 posted on 01/13/2013 8:11:35 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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