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To: xkaydet65
Holder's remarks do not gain validity because of the context, nor do they become excusable with time.

Holder's fundamental proposition is that gun owners should be shamed. If we accept the argument that in context this means 'urban teens murdering other teens' as you suppose, we are still left with the original question: Why did Holder believe that a person who is not "shamed" by the murder of another human being would be "shamed" by the ownership of the weapon by which this was accomplished? For those who had not committed a crime, why did Holder believe that a person illegally possessing a handgun would be "shamed" by the ownership of a specific weapon if he was not "shamed" by the illegality of owning it to begin with?

There are two answers, and neither makes your case. First, that Holder is attempting to deliberately confuse the rampant illegality in black culture with the lawful possession of firearms. This allows "his people" to continue to refuse to take responsibility for the violence of their inner city culture, and lays the blame at the feet of his political enemies: law abiding citizens who do not belong to that culture, but who coincidentally own guns, and who are blamed (not, coincidentally) as racists for every other problem in that culture.

In other words, whether in 1995 or 2013 or 2050, the excuse is the same: Law-abiding people are to blame for the problems of the black inner city, and it is always somebody else's fault.

The second reason is a much more cynical one. Holder knows perfectly well that this will not solve the problem of inner city violence, but he also knows there are enough stupid people in the country who can be fooled into thinking it will if the lie that the gun is at fault for the evil it facilitates is repeated over and over again. Sandy Hook is a different kind of opportunity, because it involves white children. But it is the same political game as ever: use stupid, primarily emotion driven people to acquire political power in pursuit of a "problem" which politics cannot solve.

20 posted on 01/12/2013 1:02:16 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: FredZarguna

In that time many black “leaders” were trying to adjust Black culture. There was hope that communities could organize and stigmatize the bangers. Hope that kids would see that stigma and not follow the gangs. At that time i taught many kids from Queensbridge Houses in NYC. There was a definite effort to recruit NBA players like Vern Fleming who hailed from “the Bridge” to publicize their oposition to the banger culture.I had 8th grade kids whose idea of a good essay topic was explaining their desire to own a “9” and have some bitches at their beck and call. We actually were given Board of Ed lesson plans on stigmatizing the banger culture and the gun culture. They did not involve stigmatizing legal gun owners in Onondaga County or Rockland county. That was the gist and context of the 95 remarks by Holder. Now? It’s a different story.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 1:28:39 PM PST by xkaydet65
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