Posted on 01/12/2013 7:10:39 AM PST by yoe
[snip] (Standard Gravure shooting) First known shooting with ties to Prozac. Joseph Wesbecker kills 12, injures 9.
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
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DOUBLE DUH!!!
I don’t listen to the voices in my head, Why should I listen to the voices in yours?
Because the drugs “put you out of everybody else’s misery”, that’s why.
It’s better for some to have their loved ones doped up and quiet than expressing their issues in an annoyingly vocal but healthy way.
Is your 8 year old son acting like a normal, active boy?
Give him Ritalin.
That’ll shut him up and calm him down so he’s more ‘manageable’.
Back in the 90s schools started pressuring parents to put their kids (mostly boys) on Ritalin. I guess they got used to the idea to use drugs to control kid’s behavior. Maybe these drugs shouldn’t be given to kids after all.
I doubt that it’s the antidepressants themselves, but a combination of the Rxs with whatever condition is being treated... a fact which lends itself to greater examination of mental health in general.
If it were just the antidepressants, we’d be seeing an exponentially larger number of killings then we are now, because those types of drugs are in extremely widespread use.
Most people do not pay attention to the extremely rapid ‘listing of side effects’ by the announcer.
The same with the asthma and diabetes drugs.
“May cause worsening of symptoms or sudden death” is my favorite.
Really?!?
Gimme some of that!
Remember when “YAZ” was the monthly wonder drug for women?
Huge class action suit going on for those young women who stroked out or dropped dead of heart attacks.
“Wild Bill” [rest his soul] took *all* the psych meds the VA generously handed out, even though he didn’t need them.
Every month, The Goody Box showed up at his house.
[which was a very popular ‘hangout’ on that day]
He was a VN vet but perfectly fine.
He just wanted the free ‘gubmint buzz’.
One day, for no apparent reason, he jumped onto his Harley and drove it full tilt into a stone wall, in front of his horrified friends.
Well, I’m now starting to wonder whether we’re seeing a cause-and-effect relationship here.
Has anyone stopped to wonder whether there are some of us that will do this evil things regardless?
And, often it’s not the meds that cause the problem; it’s when someone quits taking meds that results. I’ve seen this in bi-polar people personally. They function just fine in interpersonal situtations, but take them off their meds and they become crackpots.
That could be the case - the perps all had serious underlying psychological issues, so statistically they would be more prone to be on some kind of brain hash pill.
Eh?
Never effected me that way. In fact the numbness was during the depression. My husband can tell when it is hitting he says by my giggles. When I am going down first I don't giggle then I don't laugh at all. Nothing is worth more then a brief smile and I am so very tired. Like I am wrapped in a fog of numbness.
When the medication kicks in I begin to act normally again and he knows it has passed by the fact I will giggle at something.
The link between mind altering anti-depressants and homicide has been understood by some people for a very long time:
I can’t believe there are a$$hole$ in the medical profession who prescribe these things to people who have severe mental problems and are a danger to themselves and others.
These things do not CURE the problem. They MASK the problem, so the patient goes around with a silly-a$$ grin and replys “yes” to the question “are you feeling happy?” The shrink writes down “yes” in his book and is safe from a lawsuit.
The underlying problem is still there. The pills contain chemicals that give a happy feeling and so all the a$$hole$ think everything is OK.
” They’ve done scientifically randomized controlled drug trials”
The trials were done by the companies pushing the drugs.
Depression is anger turned inward.
Our society no longer works in the fields all day to survive so we have lots of time to sit around and ruminate over perceived ills and grievances.
To quote Pete Steele of Type O Negative;
Idle hands may be the devil’s work
Unbridled minds you see are so much worse
Too much pity spent and wasting time
Irresponsibility not my only crime no
Obsessive thinking, depressed drinking
The person I once was, he’s dead
Exhume the past this time or be my last
This is my final quest to remove my mask yeah
Pete was given Prozac which he took for *years*.
Almost all of his songs are desperate internal dialogues about being freed from his numbness and despair.
In addition to the Prozac, he self-medicated with booze and coke to ‘feel’ again.
His ‘sudden rages’ were infamous and he did time on Rikers Island for beating the crap out of people.
he got odd the drugs, legal and illegal, stopped drinking and re-found God...just in time.
Now he’s dead, his heart having given out from the chemical excesses.
IMO, he would still be alive if not for the Prozac.
You can virtually track his physical/mental descent through his albums.
Ironically, in spite of his fame and success, he pined for the days when he was a maintenance man in Central Park.
The hard work made him -happy-.
“If you’ve never taken it, you have no idea what you’re talking about.”
I don’t wish to deny people know how drugs make them feel, but what utter BS. I don’t have to have cancer to speak about it intelligently. The whole reason psychiatry exists is to gave someone outside your brain tell you about how you feel.
“Flattening of effect” is not a very precise way to describe it, anyway, Mr. Oh-so Drugknowledgable. Anyway, mine and your explanatoons aren’t mutually exclusive. Could be one of those blind Indian and the elephant stories. It’s not as if I was saying they nake you manic, or anything. You lose the highs and the lows, whuch if you were just in a low low would make you more active and motivated. One of thr things you can become numb to is your own sadnesd, whuch makes you happier. A lot of peolle are happiet without mood swings.
I was being a bit silly in my post, though, which I guess is what the sarcasm tag was invented for. But I thought compound words like “getupandgo” might tell the tale themselves.
Something is causing you to ‘go down’.
You need to find out what that ‘something’ is.
Putting a chemical band aid over a sucking chest wound is not the way to go.
I’m very sorry to hear that you’re suffering.
:(
All the killers on that list, except for one, are male. Why don’t anti depressants make females homicidal maniacs?
See ENOUGH! (Guns, Active Shooters And Pharma) for a discussion of the problems of giving anti-depressants to young folks. Rage is a known side effect of giving Paxil to bipolar kids. It's a no-no to do so, but too often bipolar is misdiagnosed as depression.
“The trials were done by the companies pushing the drugs”
Oh, I see. It’s one of those arguments. Like how we can never prove Oswald was the shooter or OJ killed Ron and Nichols because maybe the cops planted evidence.
Do you honestly figure only drug companies run trials? All the hundreds of them? Not even the government weighed in? The same government whose official policy is to err on the side of death just to be sure one out of a billion dose doesn’t turn you green? You don’t imagine the NIH ran trials?
every single gun shooter was found to be taking these suicide pills.
There is a timeline on Wikipedia of school shootings in America from the 1700’s, one case every few years either a disgruntled student or teacher who was fired would kill someone... then the mass shootings took off in 1989 - the year Prozac was introduced - coincidence ??
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