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7th Circuit Court of Appeals holds that the Second Amendment applies outside the home
Monachus Lex ^ | December 11, 2012 | John Pierce

Posted on 12/11/2012 10:59:31 AM PST by JohnPierce

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Hell yeah!
1 posted on 12/11/2012 10:59:36 AM PST by JohnPierce
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You really think men had bore just in case of an invasion aka militia??

Or perhaps to protect themselves from wolves and bears and crazies as they traversed through the frontier?? Like duh....

2 posted on 12/11/2012 11:07:05 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: JohnPierce

Of course the Second Amendment extends beyond the four walls of an individual’s home. Do these DemoQuacks and libtards who seek to limit gun rights also propose that the right to free speech is limited to the confines of the home.


3 posted on 12/11/2012 11:09:02 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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In an opinion issued today in the Illinois case of Moore v. Madigan, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals held that the Second Amendment “right to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense … implies a right to carry a loaded gun outside the home.”

Of course it does. To BEAR arms means to CARRY them.

Aside from which, it is obvious that to BEAR arms means something different from KEEPING them, or the word would never have been included in the Second Amendment.

And the Bill of Rights was not instituted to protect the rights of state militias. It was instituted to protect the rights of individual Americans.

The people have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to both KEEP and CARRY weapons, for defense of their God-given right to go on living, and for other all other legitimate purposes.

4 posted on 12/11/2012 11:10:00 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: AtlasStalled

I agree completely but it is good to see the Second Amendment getting the same respect as the First in the courts for a change! :)


5 posted on 12/11/2012 11:14:40 AM PST by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce

Amen!


6 posted on 12/11/2012 11:15:18 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: JohnPierce

Posner is a gem. Of course, to some, he’s not conservative enough . . . .


7 posted on 12/11/2012 11:20:47 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: JohnPierce

Keep and bear arms. Keep = in the home. Bear=outside the home.


8 posted on 12/11/2012 11:25:18 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Jeff Winston

Actually it means more than that:
1887 Webster`s Dictionary:
“to bear, bear v.t., “
“1. to support and move; or carry
2. To be equipped, furnished, or marked with;
to have as belonging, distinguishing, identifying, or characterizing; as to bear a sword, an inscription,, a title, a good reutation or an evil look,
7. To be directed; to be pointed; as, to plant guns to bear upon a trench”


9 posted on 12/11/2012 11:29:41 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: Jeff Winston

Actually it means more than that:
1887 Webster`s Dictionary:
“to bear, bear v.t., “
“1. to support and move; or carry
2. To be equipped, furnished, or marked with;
to have as belonging, distinguishing, identifying, or characterizing; as to bear a sword, an inscription,, a title, a good reputation or an evil look,
7. To be directed; to be pointed; as, to plant guns to bear upon a trench”


10 posted on 12/11/2012 11:30:55 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: JohnPierce

It applies outside my home. We both have carry permits and we carry!


11 posted on 12/11/2012 11:32:00 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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"....will finally put an end to the racist and discriminatory may-issue permitting schemes that still exist in a few less-enlightened states."

Preach it, Brother.

Although it's in another jurisdiction, will this have any effect on the ongoing shall-issue CC lawsuit in Maryland?

12 posted on 12/11/2012 11:43:47 AM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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considering the state of Kalifornia entices Mexican illegal gang thugs into the state as a sanctuary as well as using tax payer money to pay for their up keep, it’s past time for the restrictive anti gun laws of Kalifornia to be challenged. Common sense exposes that the anti gun laws in Kalifornia (Di Freakinstein) as well as many other states are predominantly meant to keep some law abiding American loving patriot from using one on the corrupt politicians who are hell bent on taking the liberty from all but the corrupt and criminal.


13 posted on 12/11/2012 11:55:39 AM PST by drypowder
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To: JohnPierce

Posner is definitely an interesting judge. Sometimes he mystifies me, but other times he seems to decide a case just as I would, and does a superlative job of backing up the opinion.


14 posted on 12/11/2012 12:01:25 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: JohnPierce

The ultimate purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to secure the liberty of people against the tyranny of government.

And that scares the bejesus out of liberals, because they want no impediments (like armed citizens) to their totalitarian leftism.


15 posted on 12/11/2012 12:05:43 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (BOHICA eGOP!)
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To: JohnPierce
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I don't see muggers, ex-husbands, or burglars in there anywhere.

What I do see is that "a free State" is what is being defended by the 2nd Amendment.

And we protect that freedom not from muggers, but against usurpation of freedom by governments. The whole Bill of Rights is about securing people's rights AGAINST government.

So, while I agree with the good Judge's outcome, I disagree with his logic. We aren't protecting ourselves from muggers. We're protecting ourselves from excessively self-aggrandizing judges (and legislators and executives)!

16 posted on 12/11/2012 12:11:27 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (BOHICA eGOP!)
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To: JohnPierce

Finally some good news for a change.


17 posted on 12/11/2012 12:14:08 PM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: AtlasStalled

You have to wonder how the dear Liar is going to figure out a way to reverse this trend – after all, if people can defend themselves, it means they can stop Demo-thugs from taking their property.


18 posted on 12/11/2012 12:15:01 PM PST by chainsaw56 (Do you have the right to defend yourself??)
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To: JohnPierce

This was a two to one decision. The actual decision is 21 pages. Judge Williams’ dissent was 24 pages and looks like a dissertation with the usual creative writing expected from from the Brady Campaign.

For those interested in reading it, the decision itself is at:
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/NY0T097Q.pdf


19 posted on 12/11/2012 12:15:03 PM PST by Sasparilla
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

The Seventh Circuit will not have any bearing on Maryland directly. However, now that we have a circuit split (the 2nd Circuit ruled just the opposite), this issue appears destined for the Supreme Court. Let’s just hope that no conservative supreme court justice gets replaced before it gets there.


20 posted on 12/11/2012 12:22:24 PM PST by JohnPierce
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