Posted on 10/10/2012 7:45:37 AM PDT by Perseverando
End of that story.
Conceptually, though, the Islamic God is different, but probably not as different as the Mormon God. Worst would be the Unitarian God, who might well not exist if you listen to them about it.
Modern archaeological digs reveal the Kaaba in Mecca to have been a Hindu Temple wherein were the symbols of a snake god.
Arabia was on a transnational trade route so that's hardly a far fetched discovery. More recently they found some marker genes from India for families living in Scotland for thousands of years (See St. Gildas if you want to discover what it's like to live as a "sky clad" Jain North of the Wall back in the good old days ~ see why he wore clothes).
Yup, men on horseback, or on foot on well traveled routes, can get anywhere they wish to go, and have been doing so for the last 4200 years pret'near. Before that it was harder and you'd need to stick to rivers and streams because it was really hard to drag those boats over dry land.
There are three major calendric models at work these days ~ the lunar, solar and siderially adjusted lunar ~ calendars. Not sure that following any one of them will tell you which church to go to ~ does anyone know?
Corsi does smart and thorough work.
Excuse my thickheadedness. I don't get your point here.
Nice theory, except that the islamic declaration of faith (shahada) literally begins with “There is no god but allah & mohammed is his messenger.”
Not to mention, christians do not have any history of using the phrase “there is no god but god.” It is unique to islam. I would bet a ton of money that NO christian anywhere and especially in the middle east, would dare to utilize the first line of the shahada, in arabic, to proudly proclaim their christianity.
Give me any evidence he (or his family!) actually ARE Christians.
They don’t celebrate Christmas. Easter. Go on a loooong vacation every Ramadan (er, August).
He goes to Chicago and “shops” for a local (black, influential ) church that will best push his agenda and future political connections.
I know that, but if he doesn't have the "and Mohammad is his messenger" it doesn't matter. And we don't know if it doesn't have that part on it. Until and unless we do, we need to drop it.
“Eastern Rite Catholics and Orthodox and other Arab Christians also refer to God as Allah and so, the first tenet of Islam is one that all Christians and Jews can agree with.”
Of course, there is no evidence Obama is an Eastern Rite Catholic, Orthodox or Arab Christian.
I don’t think the ring is dispositive. But don’t you think it’s a little odd for a man who claims to be an American Christian to wear a ring before marriage that talks about Allah and then use that as his wedding ring? Especially when his exposure to “Allah” is as part of an Indonesian Muslim family. “But I meant it as an Eastern Catholic would—not that I’ve ever had anything to do with Eastern Catholicism??”
I certainly can't do that, but if all we know is that he's wearing some ring that says there is "no God but God" we can't call him a Muslim either.
...but why in Arabic?
He lived in Indonesia which uses the Roman alphabet.
EWWWWWW, I once said I liked that ring. Of course in my defense I couldn’t see the detail of it very well. TAKING IT BACK. TAKING IT BACK.
Because he lived for several years in a Muslim country where they called God Allah. Obama could easily say that once he moved back to the West it brought him great comfort to know that his Christian and Muslim worlds were united by this basic belief. We just need to be careful and I'm going to bow out of this thread as I don't think I'm convincing anybody.
Because he lived for several years in a Muslim country where they called God Allah. Obama could easily say that once he moved back to the West it brought him great comfort to know that his Christian and Muslim worlds were united by this basic belief. We just need to be careful and I'm going to bow out of this thread as I don't think I'm convincing anybody.
Absolutely! I don't mean to say he's not a Muslim - he may well be. I'm just saying that this ring doesn't prove anything.
Here’s a sentence I never thought I would write. Madonna was right!
One weird thing about this is that Muslims are generally forbidden to wear gold jewelry.
I thought you were a pro, Pam.
0bama is a broth’a all right.
You don't sound no ways tired.....
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