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Why We Still Need a Carbon Tax
Forbes ^ | 9-27-2012 | Adam Ozimek

Posted on 09/28/2012 8:45:20 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

.... I am a proponent of carbon taxes. One criticism of this policy that you hear, for instance here from Noah Smith, is that they are pointless because you need international cooperation to make a real dent. But among non-tradeable goods this is not really the case. We don’t have to worry about transportation shifting abroad, since you can’t really outsource driving your car or shipping a package. And this matters, as transportation accounts for 70% of U.S. fuel consumption, and 30% of U.S. greenhouse gases.

But even if carbon taxes are problematic, surely higher gas taxes are a good idea. In his Pigou Tax paper Mankiw cites on study that shows of the $2.10 optimal tax on gasoline, only 6 cents was due to global warming. The rest came from other externalities like congestion and accidents.

Gas taxes also show us that international “coordination” is possible, and that the U.S. is simply failing to coordinate with other developed countries. .....

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: adamozimek; algoretax; antiamericanism; carbontax; cookedthebooks; forbes; globalwarmingscare; greenieweenies; junkscience; marxism; pseudoscience; redistribtution; thegreenmenace
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To: Sir Napsalot

the hot air from academia, politically biased science, phony crony capitalist tax schemes, and the entire Left wing of politics are more responsible than ANYTHING else for “global warming”

just reduce the “carbon footprint” of everything they do, day in and day out, of their entire existence, and peace and tranquility will reign again, including in the weather

no efficient economy needs any of them


21 posted on 09/28/2012 9:39:02 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Your entire premises is based on buying into THE TOTAL FRAUD AND POLITICAL SCAM that AGW/CO2 is going to destroy the planet therefore we need to do something to stop it. Yet your own leftist EPA head Lisa Jackson as admitted the CARBON TAX idea would not have any affect on stopping any warming you leftists think is occuring by man. The AGW/IPCC CO2 scam has been revealed to be nothing but a POLITICAL HIJACKING BY ANTI AMERICAN LEFTISTS to raise taxes and re-distribute our wealth as they see fit after taking their cut. There has not been one assertion proven that AGW is causing any additional warming or cooling that is not occuring naturally. NOT ONE.


22 posted on 09/28/2012 9:57:45 AM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: Sir Napsalot

It seems most Freeper responses to the global warming question are predicated on the idea that man-made climate change isn’t a real threat.

What if it was? What do we do?

It seems in that case, the conservative and prudent approach would be of three things:

1. Carbon taxes, with taxes reduced elsewhere.
2. Government-sponsored research into low-carbon energy generation, preferably through awards for private breakthroughs.
3. Doing pro-growth policies so the people of the future are wealthy enough to deal with whatever troubles climate change will cost.

#3 is a good idea anyway. #2 can have some great bang for the buck. #1 can’t be ruled out, though.


23 posted on 09/28/2012 9:59:50 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: spawn44

You know, this is the second article I have read by this Forbes writer in the last couple of weeks with a definite liberal slant. They either have a Trojan Horse in their midst at Forbes, or he is their token liberal, or they’ve been snookered into hiring a true lib. Wonder which it is.


24 posted on 09/28/2012 10:00:19 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Forbes is a self styled business magazine.
Others aren’t.


25 posted on 09/28/2012 10:06:57 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Sir Napsalot
booming economy growth?

That is not this country any more.

26 posted on 09/28/2012 10:09:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: spawn44

“Your entire premises is based on buying into THE TOTAL FRAUD AND POLITICAL SCAM that AGW/CO2 is going to destroy the planet therefore we need to do something to stop it.”

reread what I said

you’ll see I was making a joke

I do not accept the AGW theory put out by the ICCP

my joke was in sugggesting that all the hot air from all the groups supporting AGW cretes GW and by eliminating 100% of their “carbon footprint” we’d solve the GW issue - IT WAS A JOKE!!!!!!!


27 posted on 09/28/2012 10:37:03 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Sir Napsalot

The largest producers of NOX?

Major Airports.

Want to shut them down?

Naah, let us blame the electric generators so that ratepayers can pay the hidden tax.


28 posted on 09/28/2012 10:49:05 AM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: Irenic

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Sponsored by and lining the pockets of "algore enterprizes"

29 posted on 09/28/2012 10:50:46 AM PDT by Foolsgold (L I B Lacking in Brains)
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To: a fool in paradise

Companies and Corporations do not pay taxes, they pass the cost on to the consumer. When the price passed on becomes so high the consumer quits consuming the Company goes bust and more people are out of work.

Increasing taxes to companies is increasing taxes to us all.

It’s really not all that hard to understand.


30 posted on 09/28/2012 10:53:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: old curmudgeon

Give the Government more money when it refuses to submit a budget for almost 4 years ?

Give it to the UN ?
The same UN that this country has been subsidizing since its inception ?
The UN who has NEVER been audited , even by its own investigators ?

Carbon Tax is an excuse for taxation ~ not controlling Greenhouse gases !
Methane is known to be 25 X - 30 X more destructive , than carbon gases.
Methane is naturall leeching into the atmosphere as the tundra warms up. There are bubbleing pools in Sibera of water and methane .
To ignore methane is to ignore reality !

The carbon issue is a Red Herring ; if you want to do something constructive to slow global climate change or warming , control methane .
Carbon tax is a means of controling industrialization , and wealth redistribution through sales of ‘carbon credits’ (now being sold through Al Gore ). Enough said ..


31 posted on 09/28/2012 10:53:49 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Disclaimer - the opinions above merely reflect the writers restricted ability to observe reality)
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To: Our man in washington

First, thanks for the thoughtful post. But.

We have had too many government run ‘policies’ already, based on ‘sound scientific data at the time’ let alone ‘what ifs’, that created far more problems later on than what the original policy intented to solve.

There is no rational base to promote global policy change for such garbage as man-made climate change.


32 posted on 09/28/2012 10:58:21 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

One plus is that they could be put out in the boonies, on poor land not worth farming. The water cannot be open to the air, however, or else other strains of algae would contaminate it.

Years ago, they set up wide clear laminate tubes to carry the water and algae at MIT, and even in the weak light of Massachusetts, and just bubbling with CO2, not NOx, the algae grew at a tremendous clip.

In the southern US, the biggest problem would be to keep the water from getting too warm, so they would need to set up cooling towers.


33 posted on 09/28/2012 10:58:31 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Sir Napsalot

All this is about, in the end, is to establish a tax on breathing.

Those that can’t pay the breathing tax... are to be “indentured” (made slaves of) those who can and will pay it “for them”


34 posted on 09/28/2012 11:08:08 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Wuli

Wuli, I was addressing the Forbe’s article author. I did understand your’s.


35 posted on 09/28/2012 12:04:47 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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