Posted on 09/27/2012 10:28:51 AM PDT by diamond6
A conversation between my husband and a FReeper who wants to sit out the election because he doesn't like Romney:
"See, I believe that we are already past the tipping point.”
You really are naive. Nothing worse can happen, huh?
How about those hefty taxes that are planned for the “rich” (really small businesses) in January? Think that might possibly cause our economy to get even worse by increasing the jobless?
How about the $1 trillion dollar debt (conservatively estimated) for the next fiscal year’s budget and every year’s budget thereafter?
How about the disregard and attacking of the rights of all religious institutions, who will be forced to pay for something they believe is morally wrong? Do you think quite possibly Catholic hospitals and facilities might possibly go out of business?
How about the actual implementation of Obama Care, which will devalue our way of life, drive doctors out of the business, bankrupt insurance companies, and cause skyrocketing premiums?
How about the complete collapse of our economy, which will likely result in unprecented skyrocketing inflation rates and quite possibly a depression that we have never ever seen the likes of?
What about the complete disregard of any and all pro-life protections - babies, the elderly (euthanasia - they won’t be needed anymore?
How about the removal of any moral values for our country at all?
How about World War III in the Middle East, the annihiliation of Israel, and a nuclear holocaust there as well, with the fear of dirty bombs in this country?
How about the removal of all our rights - free speech, freedom of religion, right to bear arms through Obama executive order fiats?
How about the replacement of our conservative judges with ultra liberal anti-Constitutionalists?
How about a Communistic-style of government that will lead us to the point of no return?
Your no vote is a vote for Communism. Congratulations on your “principled” approach. And you’re doing that to teach the party “a lesson”? There won’t be a 2016 election to turn to, after Obama gets done.
You and others like you have no genuine concern or accountability for our country at all.
I have come to the conclusion that Ryan is a manufactured GOP conservative hero. Ryan will do whatever his GOP taskmasters command him to, those were previously the House leadership and now Romney.
Under GWB he voted for every deficit creating give-away that he was ordered too, like the Medicare prescription drugs bill. No concern with deficits as long as his party is getting the political bennies.
More recently last year he voted for AND supported on the House floor the Budget control act,which was just a 'surrender to Obama' bill, because he was ordered to by Cantor and Boehner.
More recently he was actually trying to claim that it was really Obama’s bill and he opposed it last year, when he is on tape at the time praising it on the house floor.
In short, Ryan changes nothing wrt Romney.
Dang, there are some really lame comments here.
??? What are you trying to get at? Ryan and Palin?? I see little in common.
Ryan is a firmly established member of the GOP Establishment, Romney would NOT have picked him otherwise.
Nor do I know what you are getting at with Palin. She has been on contract $$$$ for years (well over one) now with FNC which is the establishment GOP channel.
Also she campaigned for McCain in his 2010 primary run and he is the KING of the establishment GOPers, you cant get more than him.
So if Palin was in some way harmed by them then how come she swims with them?
We’re living the same exact shell game that the Soviets perpetrated on their slaves during their “elections”. No difference.
The “Party” elite pick the nominee they craft to lose so that they continue in the power, graft, corruption and vice they are enjoying. The plebes are placated in their imposed subjugation thinking themselves as having a choice in choosing the tyranny they are ruled by.
The only “choice” we have is one shoved in our face by the Ruling Class Left ; a liberal Socialist or an overt Marxist.
The greater Leftist will always “win”.
I’m thinking past November. Everyone else has all their hope and faith hanging on a rigged election and platform designed to send us into chaos while the masses ridicule and insult anyone pleading with them to do II Chronicles 7:14, and some have suggested voting is more important than national repentance.
The math in such a present circumstance is not hard to figure out. In fact, there are plenty of biblical examples of what God permitted to happen to His People who did far less evil than we do today.
You’ll get no argument from me on Palin. What a wasted opportunity...
But even as a wasted opportunity she’s a magnitude of order better than Ryan, who is admittedly better than your average GOP hack.
And by better, I mean “not beholden to party interests”.
They are the same in that they are all pro-business competent capitalists...
...At least by the standards applied by some FReepers.
“So now Romney is the same as Soros, Armand Hammer and Warren Buffet?”
Did I say that? I’m just asking how you describe those successful businessmens’ politics, since, according to you, they can’t also be socialists.
I’ll have to admit, I do like to see the Bots lampooned.
Did you see this: It’s an SNL lampoon of Obama from last night. You’ll have to wade through a commercial, but it doesn’t cut Obama any slack.
You can upside the video, and it’s decent quality.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/barack-obama-rally-cold-open/1418895/
What is the scenario to getting a candidate of whom you would approve? Is it even possible? Would any of the other Republican candidates fit the bill? Ron Paul? Herman Cain? Newt Gingrich?
Maybe you don't really buy into the two-party thing...maybe you'd prefer a third-party candidate? If that's true, you'd have a better chance moving to some banana republic in Central America.
Keep to your faith and principles, but if a bloody revolution is the only way to get your ideal government, man up and say it directly. If you're not up to that task, and still hold out that you can get the right candidate through the voting process, you might as well wait until you win the Power Ball. The Party process has its way of nominating national candidates, and that's not changing any time soon.
When I am lucky someone takes the bait and I get to do another #227
That's/she's not the wasted opportunity, the wasted opportunity is the GOP putting Romney up against Obama when everythings been going to hell.
The wasted opportunity is Boehner taking over the House and his main accomplishment is that Budget control Act that they are now disowning.
That was really good, the actor his the mannerisms down perfectly. Back in 2009 SNL had an Obama imitator who sounding nothing like him and wasnt funny at all.
“It might take 12 years to work, we both might be dead by then” was good.
"That's a success story"
What do you think will happen with a "system collapse" that you are so excited to embrace? I don't see a system collapse as being a good thing, but maybe we have different ideas about what that means.
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More realistically what is likely is more of the cyclic backlash effect. Voters booted Rs out of DC 2008/2009 after GWB’s eight years and put Obama and Pelosi in charge, then voters (not necessarily the same ones) booted Pelosi out of the House speakership getting mad at them..
Now Republicans are once again not looked on fondly. In fact Boehner taking the House made it harder to beat Obama this year.
So one can imagine voters being made at Dems if Obama wins, more-so if Pelosi took the House again.
We seem to be in a cyclic pattern,
Alternatively I can imagine voters hating Republicans in 2 years if Romney got elected and Boehner held the house. It would be a disaster. I see no sunbeams here.
Until this nation does a II Chronicles 7:14 en masse - we will suffer the same as we have now and worse. Electing someone to high office does NOT in any way, solve the root cause of the reasons we suffer someone like Obama.
Might want to bone up on the Great Awakenings - for those were required before we were a people worthy enough to accomplish the task of ensuring liberty.
Through what means do we please someone like you, enough to vote for a candidate?
I would have voted for any of the candidates that ran in the primary except for Romney and Ron Paul. Had the primary not been over by the time it got to my state - I would have voted for anyone running except those two.
Where do we find and nominate someone perfect enough to capture not only votes from someone like you, but also a candidate who can capture the vote of someone more centrist in their approach to politics?
I had this argument back in 2000, 2004, 2008. The GOP keeps sliding Left to accommodate the Left. I refuse to compromise my faith or principles any longer. I repented of such after 2008. Since Obama and Romney reflect the Left and that seems to be a majority of the people in the country nowadays - we get the king they demand we be ruled by. I'll not take part in choosing one of those.
Don't forget, there are some "purple" states out there whose votes are required for 270 EV's.process, you might as well wait until you win the Power Ball.
Exactly. Enjoy the march to MarxoFascism. Unless this people repent and God intervenes, our fate seems to be certain. However, I'm no longer going to hand them the rope they are hanging us by.
Maybe you don't really buy into the two-party thing...
Not any longer. I see little difference in them. We've gone full-tilt Soviet in our electoral process. Tuesday at the RNC sealed that fact for me. The only thing the GOP did not do, was boo God. But we already have so-called Conservatives booing those following God's Word and extolling His Words as hate, right now on threads about homosexuals in the military.
maybe you'd prefer a third-party candidate? If that's true, you'd have a better chance moving to some banana republic in Central America.
Why? We've already pretty much transformed into one under the last 3 Presidents.
Keep to your faith and principles, but if a bloody revolution is the only way to get your ideal government, man up and say it directly.
History is a great teacher. But if this people are not willing to do as prescribed above, then winning a war or an election against evil whether external or internal are impossibilities. Deuteronomy 28: 15-68 spells that out pretty clearly.
If you're not up to that task, and still hold out that you can get the right candidate through the voting process, you might as well wait until you win the Power Ball.
Right. Vote for the devil with the (R) beside his name because that is better than the devil with the (D) beside his.
It's pathetic that our standards have fallen this low that we are being lectured in such a manner. "Don't demand another Reagan Conservative - settle for the Liberal Democrat, they are better than the Marxists"
And people wonder how and why it is that America has fallen so far.
When exactly did we become a monarchy where selecting a blatantly flawed king solves all our ills? Too bad a majority see voting for a president as some kind of salvation.
Voting for a lesser of evils, is still evil. Romney's record is anathema to my faith and principles. He will not get my vote.
Unless Jesus Christ is on the ticket, everyone you vote for is evil in some way. Since there is no such thing as a sinless candidate, your options will always be to vote for the greater evil or the lesser evil.
Well, for Obama and the Democrats it certainly is.
For the nation, not so much.
Well, for Obama and the Democrats it certainly is.
For the nation, not so much.
You missed where I wrote that I would have voted for anyone but Romney or Ron Paul on the primary ticket this year.
Romney’s record is of supporting those things anathema to my faith and principles.
It’s not just a lesser of evil, Romney’s a PROMOTER and SUPPORTER of evil. As stated numerous times, his record as governor is not all that much different in policies supported and promoted by Obama.
RomneyCare, ObamaCare, Homosexuals, abortion- deal killers for my vote AFAIC. But then I get lectured how we’re never going to get a pure Conservative and to get on board and vote for the pro-Homo/Pro-Abortion/Government healthcare candidate.
Continuous devolution. Continuous surrender and capitulation to the Godless Left.
I’m done lending a hand to it.
I'm thinking of complete economic meltdown, and the bankruptcy of the United States. I'm seeing Obamacare collapse on itself, so that health care is withheld from any "non-productive" citizen (i.e. babies, retired people). I'm seeing a further decay of our rights.
If even a few people riot in the streets due to the collapse, I see Obama declaring martial law and suspending elections just in time to miss the 2016 voting.
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