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1 posted on 09/11/2012 4:32:10 AM PDT by radioone
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To: radioone

Why is anyone surprised at this? I am only shocked they have Obama up by just a few points. Look to see more in the future.


2 posted on 09/11/2012 4:35:29 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: radioone

D+12????

This is serious con artist territory.

No Democrat ought to fell anything but annoyed that these press outlets are selling them a false narrative


3 posted on 09/11/2012 4:37:49 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: radioone; Perdogg; nutmeg; 2ndDivisionVet; DarthVader; MNJohnnie; TonyInOhio
New ABC/Wa Po poll has Zero up 1 (49-48) with this split: D33 R23 I 37 (!!)

Wow. Even allowing for some assignment to the Is, this is (obviously) a 10-point Dem over sample to get a 1-point lead for Zero? And Romney is the one in trouble?

4 posted on 09/11/2012 4:45:38 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: radioone

The GOP has become Rove-ified, abandoning principles and leadership in favor of constantly shifting policy positions in the hope of picking up the odd 1-2% that is still well within margin of error.

The Dems obsess over polls because they lack principles and/or their true intentions would result in electoral washout. Populism is a soft name for lying.

Citing the Reagan comeback in terms of pure numbers overlooks one Everest-sized fact: his message of smaller government never wavered.

A set of values, a consistent message and a willingness to ignore the little waves in favor of the big electoral surf is a classic risk-reward proposition and the GOP crawl into a fetal position when risk is mentioned. GOP campaign types watch the same cable news rubbish but they, unfortunately, give the talking heads the exact response wanted and therefore increase the power of the talking heads.


5 posted on 09/11/2012 4:49:28 AM PDT by relictele
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To: radioone

These polls are being trumpeted to create the narrative, not to describe what is really happening.

Keep working daily to defeat Obama.

That is Job One.

We are winning but the media cannot allow that truth come out.


6 posted on 09/11/2012 4:54:07 AM PDT by exit82 (Pass the word: Obama is a FAILURE!! Democrats are the enemies of freedom!)
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To: radioone

This is a dangerous game to play for the Dems. As the election draws nearer, the polling orgs. will have to reflect some sense of reality and project the true numbers, which will show Romney gaining momentum rapidly down the stretch, which will motivate the base and sway uncommitted voters.


10 posted on 09/11/2012 5:14:51 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: radioone
that’s D+12, right…

My only question is why they bother including ANY Republicans in the sample? Think of the numbers they could conjure up for Obama THEN!

11 posted on 09/11/2012 5:17:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: radioone

Pardon my ignorance, but is it possible these scewed polls can work to our favor?
1. By putting Obama ahead by such a wide margin, will Republicans be more encouraged to vote and Democrats more inclined to stay home because their vote is not needed?
2. With such a wide margin, would the Democrats be led to believe they need not make the effort to steal the election?


12 posted on 09/11/2012 5:18:13 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: radioone

Regardless I’m seeing much better polls today, many a one point race.


15 posted on 09/11/2012 5:23:21 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: radioone

The WashPost+ABC Poll must have been shamed into making some changes to move by 6 points in a day

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2929345/posts?page=1


22 posted on 09/11/2012 5:55:12 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: radioone

That independent number has to worry the Democrats, a lot.


26 posted on 09/11/2012 6:04:00 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: radioone

Even with the sample stacked against him, Romney should be up 15 - 20 points! The real unemployment rate is much higher than even the critics claim, and all that is being done is 0bama is campaigning and fundraising!


28 posted on 09/11/2012 6:04:36 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO GTFO!)
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To: radioone

I see the average idiot on the street and the libs on my facebook page.

I have no doubt Romney is losing. Romney is running the worst possible campaign imaginable and inspires zero confidence whatsoever.

I’ll vote for him any day over RR, but this campaign really sucks TBH.

I am disgusted.


29 posted on 09/11/2012 6:07:35 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: radioone

CNN/ORC is a joke. Vinod Gupta is the owner of ORC, and special good buddy of Bill Clinton’s. The guy will do anything to make the Dems look good. Proof was when he screwed over the stockholders of his other company to fund the purchase of ORC so he could manipulate the numbers for the Clintons.


30 posted on 09/11/2012 6:11:59 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: radioone; All

I hate to throw a wet towel on any of this but something has always struck me when claims of oversampling are made to make a poll look good:

Isn’t it reasonable to assume that when a particular group is oversampled, the pollster in question takes that into account, and gives the group undersampled more weight?

For example, if the Republicans are undersampled by say 5%, their final tally is given 5% more weight than the Democrats.

That’s how it’s done in certain areas of science I can attest. For example, if one particular protein shows more expression in a certain experiment on a Western blot, such expression levels are normalized against a more common protein like actin. If the actin levels demonstrate lower levels in the experimental conditions (an oversampling if you will of the experimental condition), then the experimental level is reported as a function of the actin, that is, it’s divided by the amount of actin (similarly for the control), so as to normalize all levels based on how much total protein was actually loaded onto the gel (the Western blot).

So again, isn’t it reasonable to assume these pollsters are doing a similar kind of normalization?


34 posted on 09/11/2012 6:28:05 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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