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To: GilesB

Actually, so I’m not accused of twisting words, he wrote:

In this case, just like abortion, the woman makes the decision.

Then I asked, “So you would maintain that a miscarriage = abortion?”

Followed by, “Seriously?”

So I am asking the poster if he is equating a miscarriage with abortion. When someone says that someone makes the decision to do something, that implies a conscious or deliberate process.

Not twisting, not disingenuous, not dishonest.


41 posted on 08/22/2012 4:57:33 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: green pastures
Then a grammar lesson is in order:
“In this case, just like abortion, the woman makes the decision...” Can also be written “In this case the woman makes the decision just like (with an) abortion”

The “just like” OBVIOUSLY refers to the decision - not the event. You didn't twist the words, you twisted (and are still twisting) the meaning.

There is no way any reasonable person reads that sentence and honestly believes that the writer is equating abortion and miscarriage. You use the straw-man fallacy - which is dishonest argument: Changing the meaning of a statement to one more easily refuted, and refuting the alternate statement. Or metaphorically switching a straw-man (or a scarecrow) for your opponent, beating the living snot out of him and claiming victory.

Some more tutoring - refrain from picking certain words and phrases and attacking them. Look for the meaning and intent in the full context of the statement. Had you done so, you could not have posed your question in honest debate.

And in context, it is obvious that the poster is referring to the decision to “not want” the pregnancy - to which the body responds...or so the argument goes.

Spend your time refuting THAT (because that is the argument), not singling out some tiny phrase by which to recoil in horror. Whoopee!!! You won the argument! In today's world abortion and miscarriage mean different things!!!! But it is a hollow victory, because that argument was completely in your own mind. The poster was making a different point ENTIRELY - which you never touched...and he wins by default.

See - I'm helping you debate more effectively!

53 posted on 08/22/2012 5:26:30 PM PDT by GilesB
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