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40 Points That Prove That Barack Obama And Mitt Romney Are Essentially The Same Candidate
activistpost.com ^ | August 16, 2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 08/19/2012 7:06:50 PM PDT by grundle

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To: ansel12
What a bunch of crap. Do you expect Romney to check out the bona fides of the staff of a landscaper to see if they are here legally? How exactly was he supposed to do that? Does MA require the use of e-verify for all businesses? This is all trumped up nonsense that Romney's opponents tried to use against him.

On what basis could Romney have fired the illegals? If they were known to be illegal publicly, where was ICE? Romney would have had to fire the naturalized American contractor, but he would have to prove that he was using illegal workers. I can't believe that the contractor was using the same workers for 11 years. There is tremendous turnover in such operations.

I find it rich that Giuliani is criticizing Romney when Rudy is a declared supporter of amnesty. NYC is a virtual sanctuary city. And using the Boston Globe as a source is ridiculous. We have 12 to 20 million illegals in this country. The USG estimates that 8 million illegals are in the workforce. Yet, you expect Romney to check the papers of the people working for the landscaper. Again, how do you propose he do that.

141 posted on 08/19/2012 9:59:57 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Lamar Smith and Steve King can both be relied upon to stand up for Americans and fight against allowing illegal aliens to stay..

Ive been in panel meetings in Washington and heard them personally...

but they cant do it alone...

Its unfortunate that the leadership in the house wont back their efforts...

The only acceptable action is deportation...

Id be more concerned about the anarchy from the other 270 MILLION people than what 30 MILLION illegal aliens might do...


142 posted on 08/19/2012 10:00:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: kabar

Do you expect Romney to check out the bona fides of the staff of a landscaper to see if they are here legally? How exactly was he supposed to do that?
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Werent you the one who early said that Wiillad was the one who put 287g in place in MASS ???

What do you think 287g is for ???


143 posted on 08/19/2012 10:02:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Immigration, legal and illegal, is destroying this country. We are bringing in too many people and not the kind of people with the skills we need to be competitive in the global economy. We may have already passed the tipping point.

The U.S. brings in about 1.2 million legal immigrants annually—more than the rest of the world combined. The decade ending in 2010 saw the highest level of immigration in our history with 13.9 million legal immigrants entering our country despite the fact that there was a net loss of jobs during that same period.

Our kinship system of immigration does not bring in the skills and talents we need to be competitive in the global economy. 25% of the adult legal immigrants who enter annually are high school dropouts. Only 25% have college degrees. Importing hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts annually is a net loss to the economy, i.e., taxes received versus government services provided.

The federal government issues work permits to 125,000 LEGAL FOREIGN WORKERS A MONTH now even though 23 million Americans are looking for fulltime employment. This includes new permanent residents (Green Cards) and long-term temporary work visas and others who are authorized to take a job. Also, Obama’s backdoor “Dream” amnesty will add 1 million legal workers to the workforce. The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 8 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men significantly. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.

52 percent of households headed by a legal immigrant with children (under18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children. The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 17 percent, nearly 50 percent higher than the rate for natives and their children. While government works to reduce the number of poor persons, massive low-skill immigration pushes the poverty numbers up. Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 440 million—three-quarters of the projected increase will be the result of immigration.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

There is no avoiding the dramatic numerical and political implications of continuing the current legal immigration levels of more than one million per year. For the past 30 years, immigrants have voted at least two – to – one for the Democrats. Given the low income and low education profile of legal immigrants, this ratio is not likely to improve. To the contrary, it is likely to become worse. The inevitable result will be a permanent Democrat voting majority, first at the national level and soon thereafter at the state level. The Democrat leadership is fully aware of this and that is why we see the President illegally using executive orders to achieve what he has been unable to achieve through Congress. California is the canary in the coal mine when it comes to assessing the electoral impact of mass immigration.

144 posted on 08/19/2012 10:07:14 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Do you expect Romney to check out the bona fides of the staff of a landscaper to see if they are here legally? How exactly was he supposed to do that?
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Plus Willard didnt have to check out anything

He already knew that the guys were illegal aliens

he had been told and it was in the paper

he ignored the fact for the next year otr so...

The RomneyBots say Im all kinds of crazy but it doesnt take a genius to know that Willard deliberately violated federal law...

and yes I do expect Willard to check these things out

after all he was the MASS Gov...

Who had all the resources at hand to do so ???

It was and is a federal crime to knowingly hire illegal aliens and Willard knew they were illegal...

But he did it antway

Him so speshall he thinks Laws are for peons...

and hes above the law...

just like Obama...


145 posted on 08/19/2012 10:09:35 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana
It was put in place for the state police. The 287 g program does not verify employment. It allows law enforcement to have access to ICE databases to check the immigration status of people they arrest. ICE trains state and local law enforcement on immigration matters.

As soon as Romney left office, the program was eliminated by his successor. No surprise there.

146 posted on 08/19/2012 10:12:03 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Immigration, legal and illegal, is destroying this country.
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Thanks

did you want me to leave and go back BEFORE the election in Nov ???

of course you do...


147 posted on 08/19/2012 10:12:03 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: kabar

It allows law enforcement to have access to ICE databases to check the immigration status of people they arrest.
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The police worked for Willard the MASS Gov...

anything they have he could use...


148 posted on 08/19/2012 10:14:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: kabar

It allows law enforcement to have access to ICE databases to check the immigration status of people they arrest.
____________________________________________

The police worked for Willard the MASS Gov...

anything they have he could use...


149 posted on 08/19/2012 10:14:10 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ansel12

Stating facts about someone is not smearing them:

Reagan’s Darkest Hour: “Therapeutic” abortion in California
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/223437/reagans-darkest-hour/paul-kengor

Republicans Introduced Reagan’s Amnesty Act for 3 Million ‘Illegals’ Six Months Before 1986 Midterm Elections
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2012/06/19/reagan-introduced-amnesty-act-for-3-million-illegals-six-months-before-1986-midterm-elections/

I have no idea what you are talking about as far as Gov. Romney is concerned, but I lived in California when Ronald Reagan was governor there and worked for him when he was president. And how am I “tearing down” Christianity by posting those two links? Are those people liars? Did they halucinate? Tell Mr. Obama and his team that you tried your darndest to get the FReepers to vote third party, stay home or just vote down-ticket, but only your fellow disruptors are buying it. Those here with their eyes open know that, liberal as he might be, Mitt Romney is no Barack Hussein Obama, and there is a difference.


150 posted on 08/19/2012 10:18:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
If you are here legally, like my wife, no one can force you to leave. But this isn't about you or my wife. It is about our immigration policies that are destroying this country.

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster

I gather you are fine with current level of legal immigration and the composition of those who are coming. I am not. We don't need to import hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts each year.


151 posted on 08/19/2012 10:22:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Tennessee Nana
You don't seem to understand how the 287 g program functions. There are constitutional limits to what the police can do under the program, which again, is not used to verify legal status for employment purposes. I can't make it any clearer than that.

Fact Sheet: Updated Facts on ICE's 287(g) Program

152 posted on 08/19/2012 10:27:18 PM PDT by kabar
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To: j_tull

“Supreme Judicial Court held today that “barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and
obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the
Massachusetts Constitution.” The court stayed the entry of judgment for 180 days “to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion.” unofficial synopsis at www.findlaw.com

The MA Supreme Judicial Court did, in fact, order or - as they put it - “permit[ed]” the state’s legislature to do whatever it took to make gay marriage legal in the Commonwealth. It was not the legislature and it was not the executive. It was the judicial.

The case was HILLARY GOODRIDGE & others vs. DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH & another. 440 Mass. 309; March 4, 2003 - November 18, 2003; Suffolk County.

The legislature rewrote the law; the governor enforced it.


153 posted on 08/19/2012 10:27:36 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You have adopted the exact persona, the anti-Reagan posting, and the anti-Christian, proMormonism style of the worst FR romneybots of the last six years.

It is as though you joined a cult.

Now we have to start countering your Reagan attacks like we have for 6 years as you guys try to defend Mitt’s radical pro-abortion activism of decades by trying to give the impression that Reagan was pro-abortion.

You already have us fighting you as you promote Mormonism elsewhere, in your devotion to Mitt Romney.


154 posted on 08/19/2012 10:27:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: kabar

They weren’t staff, they were exotic looking, non-English speaking Guatemalans who spent days at Romney’s place every week.

Their boss was a naturalized Colombian himself that Mitt had met personally, and then hired for his yard work.

I imagine that his security during the period that he was Governor, may have been interested in who all these Illegal looking guys were that came to the house a couple of times a week and interacted with the family, as the illegals said, the Romneys would speak a little Spanish to them.

If you can decide to ignore 2 national scandals of Mitt being discovered using the same contractor and his batch of illegal Guatemalans for 11 years, then you can pretend anything.

By the way, the lying involved in all this should disturb you a little, Mitt swore up and down that he had fired them back in 2006, if the Newspaper had not checked again, they would still be there.

Judging by your anger and hostility towards me, for knowing about Mitt’s 11 year relationship with illegals, the newspaper which exposed the illegals working for him, Giuliani for mentioning the illegals in public, I take it that you are pro-illegal.


155 posted on 08/19/2012 10:28:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: ansel12

Seek out a mental health professional tomorrow. Seriously.


156 posted on 08/19/2012 10:31:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, you just need to lay off Reagan and Christianity while you promote Romney.

The most radical, hard core lefty ever nominated by the GOP.

Trying to convince people that Reagan was ever pro-choice, has cost many a troll here.

Reagan never converted, or needed to convert, Reagan was never pro-abortion.

Mitt Romney was 20 years old in 1967, he says that he had already been pro-abortion for 4 years, in 1973 Roe v Wade happened, Romney was pro-abortion, 1980, the abortion wars really kicked in, America elected social conservative hero, Ronald Reagan, Romney was still pro-abortion, 1984, Romney still pro-abortion, 1988, 1992,1994,1996,2000,2004, Romney is still pro-abortion.

During those years, Romney financially supported, campaigned for, and fund raised for pro-abortion democrats over republicans.

How do you equate this with a pro-life social conservative’s rookie mistake in 1967, when we had never even heard of “pro-life”, and Pro-choice” ?


157 posted on 08/19/2012 10:53:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
No kid it doesnt show anything...

OK, I guess Romney didn't choose Ryan. I guess I just must have hallucinated that. Whatever. [Backing out of the room slowly...]

158 posted on 08/19/2012 10:57:06 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: grundle

WE get it you want the islamo-marxist kenyan to get 4 more years to finish off whatever he didn’t get to the 1st 4 years.


159 posted on 08/19/2012 11:52:33 PM PDT by parisa
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To: grundle

A year ago, somebody here posted a quiz. You answered the questions and it recommended your best presidential candidate among Romney, Obama, Santorum, Bachmann, Cain, Hunter, Perry, and Gingrich.

I answered the Quiz. Obama rated higher on my quiz than Romney. Romney was dead last in meeting my desires, while Obama was only 2nd to last.


160 posted on 08/20/2012 1:01:51 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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