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I Can’t Stand Gene Roddenberry
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| August 19, 2012
| Jonathan David Baird
Posted on 08/19/2012 3:56:19 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
many science fiction writers entered that genre to create fictionalized versions of “a better world” or “a better humanity”, and “science” and invention were tools - fictional tools, they could apply to “make it possible”.
Poul Anderson seldom did.
He did present many different worlds and many different forms of human society, but, if my recollections are correct, he was usaully realistic and did not try to portray some kind of Utopia - there were imperfect and bad human societies and imperfect and bad intelligent beings and non-human societies on other worlds, and good ones of both kinds. What we call “human nature” (natural ability to be either good or bad) seemed to be universal in his works.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:03:24 PM PDT
by
Wuli
To: Rebelbase
The Orion Slave girl is still to this day a "mainstay" in the average nerd's "Spank Bank" along with "7 of 9" and Princess Leia in her skimpy slave outfit Jabba made her wear!
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:03:34 PM PDT
by
Mad Dawgg
(If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
To: EveningStar
The Federation claims to offer virtually unlimited personal freedom to every citizen, but no one ever tests this claimWith unlimited energy at zero cost, and replicators to provide all physical needs, there is no need for capitalism.
Everyone could have Monet's Water Lillie's in their living room. And the Hope Diamond as the gift for your 3rd anniversary.
The only thing of importance would be land. Like Picard's family vineyard. Or your beach front villa.
Property remains in Star Trek. So communism isn't there.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:04:18 PM PDT
by
FatherofFive
(Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
To: Misterioso
Adding these to the laughable production values made Star Trek unwatchable.
CGI has made LOTS of Sci-Fi unbearable to watch.
Just ask any 15 yeat old.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:06:54 PM PDT
by
RedMonqey
(Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
To: RedMonqey
Trek studiously avoided the bad implications of replicators and holodecks. But it’s there if you’re willing to read between the lines. They have replicators that provide for all basic needs, and a HUGE military finding new planets for their civilians to colonize. Sure they sell it as everybody being “free to grow to their potential” but the reality is there.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:06:54 PM PDT
by
discostu
(Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
To: Lazamataz
talent, skill, and a better you is your currency
Yeah, but what good is all that without $$$ STUFF $$$ ?
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:09:37 PM PDT
by
Telepathic Intruder
(The right thing is not always the popular thing)
To: Bryanw92
It wouldn’t even work then. There is still a work requirement even with anti-matter energy. Still, a good place to get the guys in the red shirts.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:10:53 PM PDT
by
ebshumidors
( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
To: The Antiyuppie
I think it winds up much more like Judge Dredd. Lots of people mostly bored getting into trouble, and law enforcement goes back to a very “old school” approach a lot more willing to kill people because there’s too damn many of them anyway. Because once you no longer have need for these people with “baseline” providing jobs you run out of need for a lot of people period.
And watch out, this world isn’t as far away as we think. If 3D printers have even half the capabilities people want them to have we take a huge step on this path.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:12:20 PM PDT
by
discostu
(Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
To: Bryanw92
I laugh at the economy of the United Federation of Planets because the near limitless energy of the antimatter reactor, combined with the matter replicator actually make communism work. Still, that doesn't solve all scarcity. Some people still own restaurants and mountain cabins and lavish beachfront homes. Not everybody can. Sure, maybe you can use holograms to simulate the effect, but somebody still gets the real thing. The Picards own real vineyards in La Barre, France. What happens if somebody else decides they want those vineyards?
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:12:26 PM PDT
by
Sloth
(If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
To: RedMonqey
Production values aren’t everything. I liked ‘Space Patrol’ in the ‘50s.
To: FatherofFive
Everyone could have Monet's Water Lillie's in their living room. And the Hope Diamond as the gift for your 3rd anniversary.
Abundance breeds contempt.
If material goods are easily attaitable then other more scarce items will be desired in a "rich society"
Hope Diamonds would be children's trinkets if everyone could have one.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:14:35 PM PDT
by
RedMonqey
(Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
To: CrazyIvan
Ivan - you are living up to your name. How do you know inertia exists within a Warp field? How do you know any of the physics that exists within a Warp field since it’s all a product of Rodenberry’s brain?
To: Misterioso
Production values arent everything. I liked Space Patrol in the 50s.
You don't have to convince me as I'm a big fan of the old Dr. Who series.
But it is to the younger generation...
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:17:54 PM PDT
by
RedMonqey
(Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
To: Lazamataz
On a car, you dampen inertia with a shock absorber.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:19:16 PM PDT
by
Frankss
To: GenXteacher
“Apparently there was some regulation that specified the ensign in the red shirt always had to take the risk. “
Good point! Actually, those guys seem to drop like flies and there were no special ceremonies etc. for them, but when someone ‘important’ died it was a big deal. So much for equality.
To: KevinDavis
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:21:57 PM PDT
by
RandallFlagg
(Obama hates Mexicans (Fast and Furious))
To: EveningStar
Everybody knew that the Klingons were the soviets and they were the bad guys. Then there’s the episode where the Yangs and the Comms were fighting it out. We knew who the good guys were. And my hat is off to anyone who could get that many beautiful women to wear such skimpy outfits.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:22:06 PM PDT
by
blueunicorn6
("A crack shot and a good dancer")
To: Mad Dawgg
No T'Pol love?
Enterprise is underrated, IMO. Especially the latter years.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:25:07 PM PDT
by
Bratch
To: discostu
Trek studiously avoided the bad implications of replicators and holodecks.
This is true. Reality would make for a really boring show.
It's only made for tv fiction so "Trekkies" shouldn't drag fiction into the real world and we won't expect reality into their "world"
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:27:26 PM PDT
by
RedMonqey
(Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
To: discostu
Yeah, in that type of economy the thing that would be invented would be the replicator.
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posted on
08/19/2012 5:32:13 PM PDT
by
Vermont Lt
(I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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