Posted on 08/04/2012 9:45:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Now, let's talk about all of you out there who are not permitted by your employer to liquidate your 401k. That decision rests with the PLAN ADMINISTRATOR, who is your employer, be it an individual or a board.
What kind soulless, psychopathic monster would refuse to let their own employees have access to their own money? What POSSIBLE reason could there be for a business owner or a board to refuse to fill out a few forms, sign at a few documents and just let people have their own money?
If your employer will not let you out of your 401k, you need to sit down and think long and hard about who you are working for, and why you are working for them, because they are, by definition, bad people.
Finally, what lesson can we learn from this? How about this: If you don't have access to something, if you cannot take physical possession of it, if all you have is someone telling you that they are taking care of your money, which you cannot touch or have access to - THEN IT ISN'T YOUR MONEY, AND IT NEVER WAS. In short, you have been conned.
If your employer won't let you liquidate your 401k, that means that your employer has CONNED YOU by telling you that they were paying you a wage of X, when in reality it was less than X by the amount of your 401k contribution amount. Go sit down and figure it out. Back out your 401K contributions off the top of your pay as if they never existed. THAT is your actual wage, if your employer refuses to let you out. Would you have ever agreed to work for that wage?
For those of you who come out on the other side of this collapse and war, you must always remember that if an asset is not FULLY liquid and available to you, then it isn't really yours at all, and you have to assume that all such arrangements are nefarious and must be rejected.
She sure has.
bmfl reading
Remember ENRON?
...because they'll put me in jail. That's why. Sorry Ann, but Rome wasn't any better, probably worse in many respects, and Jesus said to pay taxes to them.
Agreed!
Because you can't withdraw money from your 401K without the taxes being automatically withheld?
She sounds nuts to me.
Besides her “advice” which strikes me as stark raving mad (I haven’t even heard a rumor of a suggestion that 401(k) funds will be grabbed), the idea that your wages are reduced by 401(k) matching is, at best, misguided. 401(k) matches are benefits, like health plans and bonuses — they do affect the bottom line but are expense items. Should I refuse my annual bonus because without it I would have a slightly higher wage?
It also sounds like she is saying you shouldn’t pay taxes at all, thus additional taxes are OK (Or some such similar bizarre connection).
Loony tunes.
Such a grab by the government would,IMHO, trigger armed revolution.
I think you need to reread the last paragraph.. “collapse and war”. Although she is saying don’t pay taxes on moral grounds, she is also intimating that OUR ‘NEST EGGS’ WILL SOON BE EVISCERATED, ABSORBED, STOLEN, and CONFISCATED so you might as well cash out on your hard earned money before that occurs.
And a dingbat. Her advice is nonsense.
You need to get out more.
Apparently you've never heard of Teresa Ghilarducci.
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Check this search out
http://search.yahoo.com/tablet/s?ei=UTF-8&p=government+taking+401&fr=ipad
I have been reading about this very thing. And of O-Shthead is re-elected, pressure from WH will be strong. Having IOU’s from this gov is a pig in the poke.
I was talking with a financial advisor about how these insurance companies are able to pay 7 - 10 % return on annuities when no other investments are paying that kind of return. He was told that the insurance companies hold vast amounts of cash and they can afford to pay a scheduled 10% return as long as people are paying in. The whole dam thing is a massive Bernie mad off ponzi scheme. It is hard to trust people with your hard earned money in an amoral society.
“She sounds nuts to me.”
Hysterical at the least.
First she says “pay the penalty” then she rhetorically asks “why would you pay taxes”. Well, like the other poster said: to avoid going to jail, among other reasons.
I think it is likely that the gov’t, should it continue with Dems in power, WILL try and seize (nationalize?) 401(k) plans. I think the answer to that will be, as the gun rights folks put it: molon labe.
I’m not sure if an employer can prevent you from taking your money out of a 401(k) plan, that might be true. But are you really going to quit your job over that? Right now, in this environment?
And she gives no advice as to what you’d do with your money after taking it out of the Plan. Banks are paying less than 1% so to get any return on your savings you pretty much have to go into something else. Unless it’s real estate or physical precious metals it will rely on a paper promise to pay at the end.
Will our entire civilization collapse? It’s happened before, so I wouldn’t rule it out. But if that should happen whatever $$ you’ve taken out of your retirement plan won’t help any way.
young middle ages workers, many with large 401’s will go on the war path...
we turned ours into an annuity with State Farm..but I'm sure Obama will cover all bases...he is so smart, don't ya know..
damn every day I HATE him more, if that is possible.
Google “Argentina+pensions” to see what desperate governments are capable of, and yes, the US Government falls into that class.
“Be Prepared” is the Scout’s Motto, always good advice. These are not times for half measures.
Only if you believe Bernie Madhoff was an anomaly.
Do you believe there are no Bernie Madhoffs in the feral government?
Confiscation by the government of citizens’ 401 could prove disastrous for any sitting government.
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