Posted on 07/15/2012 3:46:27 PM PDT by cap10mike
Could Texas once again become the Republic of Texas?
Without question, the Nov. 6 election will be a do-or-die, make-or-break, Rubicon-crossing event. If the presidential election goes one way, we get a “do-over.” We’ll be given the opportunity to take the first step on a long, arduous journey back to our political and economic roots. If it goes the other way, federalism and balance of power will continue to be edged out by an overreaching federal government and an imperial presidency. Socialism will have an unbreakable hold on the economy, and a centralized government, rather than a free market, will determine business’ winners and losers.
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These were not “signing statements” as a president may do when signing a bill into law. They were strongly worded deliberate conditional ratifications authored by one of our most revered patriots, Patrick Henry.
The Constitution was freely entered by New York and Virginia, which would retain member state status, as long as certain conditions were upheld by the federal government. The conditional ratifications could have been rejected, but they were not.
You see, a president has no authority to amend a law in a signing statement. That was not the case with the conditional ratification, which captured the additional requirements needed for New York and Virginia to ratify the Constitution. BTW - the ratification documents had both immediate and ongoing requirements, and the immediate requirements were fulfilled.
See 275
Actually, the original Declaration of Independence reads,
"The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America"
although you will sometimes see it printed the way you posted it.
Those uncapitalized letters in the original DOI are important and reflect the relationship between the independent states at that time. There was no United States of America in 1776.
See: The engraving of the original DOI by William Stone as commissioned by John Quincy Adams or this official transcript of the DOI at the US Archives. Supposedly, it took Stone three years to carefully engrave his "exact" copy of the original DOI.
Article VII - The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Constitution is silent on provisional or conditional ratifications. The ratification process was a Yea/Nay of the United States Constitution. You may recall that the process got held up because Massachusetts balked at accepting the Constitution as-is. They had conditions which were debated and formed the foundation for the Bill of Rights.
The vote to ratify was an "all-in" proposition.
So you’re an anarchist then....OK by me.
Anarchist like Jefferson Washington Franklin Adams Henry etc?
Take your pick
“Actually, you can also be confined in a home for the insane.”
Damn, does that mean he would be forced to go to Californicate?
You flatter yourself.
It wasn’t Mass - It was Virginia and New York, driven by Patrick Henry.
The sovereign states of Virginia and New York entered the USA by ratifying the constitution provided that certain conditions were met and maintained.
That is what NY and VA did, and the conditions were accepted. You may not like it but NY and VA retained the right to assert their sovereignty, in the event the federal government did not meet certain conditions.
WE the Delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly, and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon, DO in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any capacity, by the President or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes: and that among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified by any authority of the United States.
With these impressions, with a solemn appeal to the searcher of hearts for the purity of our intentions, and under the conviction, that, whatsoever imperfections may exist in the Constitution, ought rather to be examined in the mode prescribed therein, than to bring the Union into danger by a delay, with a hope of obtaining amendments previous to the ratification:
We the said Delegates, in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, do by these presents assent to, and ratify the Constitution recommended on the seventeenth day of September, one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven, by the Foederal Convention for the Government of the United States; hereby announcing to all those whom it may concern, that the said Constitution is binding upon the said People, according to an authentic copy hereto annexed, in the words following:
A copy of the Constitution was included in the ratification document.
On motion, Ordered, That the Secretary of this Convention cause to be engrossed, forthwith, two fair copies of the form of ratification, and of the proposed Constitution of Government, as recommended by the Foederal Convention on the seventeenth day of September, one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven.
They may retain the Natural Right of Rebellion, but they possess no other extra-constitutional rights recognised by the United States Constitution or any of her courts.
Not some "belief" or a piece of paper with fine sounding words on it.
Anarchist like Jefferson Washington Franklin Adams Henry etc?
Including ANY of the 200,000 PATRIOTS who fought in the war. "Ordinary" folks. JUST LIKE Vaquero.
“They may retain the Natural Right of Rebellion, but they possess no other extra-constitutional rights recognised by the United States Constitution or any of her courts. “ - RR
There are many extra-constitutional rights that are are in fact recognized by the Constitution. Are you baffled by that statement? (I bet you are.)
The power not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people.
...wait for it...
—————Patrick Henry—————
Are you seeing the connections?
No. Your are projecting. You will merely be stopped from using force to separate the United States, just like any other enemy.
It was not clear, and in fact the courts ruled the other way in Texas v. White. Further, any reservations that were mentioned at the time of ratification were not duplicated when the states were re-admitted after the Great Rebellion. So any reservations by the states during ratification are no longer in effect.
The current citizenry are not heavily armed. The state of armament has progressed rather more than privately owned weapons in the bast 60 years.
How many aircraft carriers does Texas have? Zero. How many modern fighters? How many modern guided artillery rounds? Zero.
Nah. We in California have standards for our asylums.
No, private parties who pretend to represent entire states without benefit of elections are tyrants.
Just think about it. They would see you as the enemy to be kept out by the northern border of Texas. I don’t see it working out well for you.
You are so full of Bandini.
Full of himself. He should be prouder of hizself than he already is.
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