If Obama wins: Will Texas secede from the union?

BizPac Review ^ | Michael Dorstewitz

[cap10mike]

Could Texas once again become the Republic of Texas?

Without question, the Nov. 6 election will be a do-or-die, make-or-break, Rubicon-crossing event. If the presidential election goes one way, we get a “do-over.” We’ll be given the opportunity to take the first step on a long, arduous journey back to our political and economic roots. If it goes the other way, federalism and balance of power will continue to be edged out by an overreaching federal government and an imperial presidency. Socialism will have an unbreakable hold on the economy, and a centralized government, rather than a free market, will determine business’ winners and losers.

[moonshot925]

Per your logic, it is unlawful by the supreme law of the land (treaties) to explode nukes in the atmosphere.

We can pull out of the Limited Test Ban Treaty at any time, which would make using nuclear weapons perfectly legal and constitutional.

and no one will follow that command.

I served many years on ballistic missile submarines. Our job was to follow orders and that was what we did. If the call to release nuclear weapons ever came we would execute that order. No questions asked.

[JRandomFreeper]

Try it, sparky. Let's us dance.

/johnny

[Texas Fossil]

Texas was crushed the first time

hee hee hee

Where were you educated? That is about the dumbest statement I ever heard about the State of Texas. The Confederacy was beaten, a short attempt was made by the Feds to "occupy" Texas. That did not work out very well and did not last long.

Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may. Sam Houston And he refused to take Texas out of the United States, went to live with the Indians in OK.

[central_va]

Ok, we have been in three wars with a communists, and 2 wars with muzzies. How many nukes have we fired so far? You’re telling me a President is going to order a former state nuked. ? Are you high?

[bigheadfred]

If your target was in the U.S. you would have followed that order without question? What if your mom "Ella" was in the target zone? You would blindly turn her into a cinder?

wowzeez

[OneWingedShark]

I refer you to Texas v. White which ruled that secession as pretended by the various state legislatures in 1860-1865 was a legal nullity.

I refer you to James Madison, a principal author of the Constitution:

I partake of the wonder that the men you name should view secession in the light mentioned. The essential difference between a free Government and Governments not free, is that the former is founded in compact, the parties to which are mutually and equally bound by it. Neither of them therefore can have a greater fight to break off from the bargain, than the other or others have to hold them to it. And certainly there is nothing in the Virginia resolutions of –98, adverse to this principle, which is that of common sense and common justice. The fallacy which draws a different conclusion from them lies in confounding a single party, with the parties to the Constitutional compact of the United States. The latter having made the compact may do what they will with it. The former as one only of the parties, owes fidelity to it, till released by consent, or absolved by an intolerable abuse of the power created.

[JRandomFreeper]

Let me put this in terms I'm comfortable with... kitchen terms.

The difference between commitment and involvement is best illustrated by the contributions to breakfast between the pig and the chicken.

The pig was committed, the chicken was involved.

I'm committed to freedom and self governance.

If you can't wrap your brain around that, and realize that you can let me be free, or you can kill me, and that's your only two choices, that's your problem.

Wonderful, the things they teach at culinary school. ;)

/johnny

[null and void]

The sad part?

I believe he would.

The sadder part?

I don’t doubt for one millisecond Obama would order it.

[Liberty Tree Surgeon]

Texas was crushed the first time and will be crushed again if it tries to secede from the union it voluntarily entered into.

Quickgun, what Moonshot925 is saying is that if Obama is re-elected, issues all sorts of unconstitutional excutive orders, and one or more States secede over it, then Moonshot 925 will become private Moonshot925 in Obama's army. After basic training (lots of bayonet practice, and not a lot on distinguishing civilians from combatants), he'll then follow orders to march on Texas, and likely follow orders to commit the massacres it'd take to pacify the rebels.

Because, you know, some pro-union SCOTUS dude said it wasn't allowed in 1861, and - by golly - might makes right. I WISH this was sarcasm, but you'll find a lot of folks around here who would kill to keep the Union in place, with no regard to what the Union then represented.

[OneWingedShark]

"The South contends that a state has a constitutional right to secede from the Union formed with her sister states. In this I submit the South errs. No power or right is constitutional but what can be exercised in a form or mode provided in the constitution for its exercise. Secession is therefore not constitutional, but revolutionary; and is only morally competent, like war, upon failure of justice."

Has justice failed?

[Tau Food]

There are worse things than secession.

If Romney wins, he’ll probably try to sell Texas to China. A “strategic divestiture” he’ll call it.

[null and void]

He just does what the voices in Obama’s head tell him to do...

[Texas Fossil]

Looked at your bio. Nice moon shot, Apollo 11.

Friend of mine walked on the moon on Apollo 17.

Miss those days.

[moonshot925]

If your target was in the U.S. you would have followed that order without question?

We had no idea where the targets were. Only the higher ups in the chain of command knew that. Many of the SIOP war plans are still classified.

[bigheadfred]

There is an upside. When he introduced his mother to his buddies. Be like a fairytale.

"This is my mom..."

I don’t doubt for one millisecond Obama would order it.

YES.

[al_c]

I don’t think it’ll happen. But if it does, I think we’ll hear a lot of folks quoting Davy Crockett ... “you may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.”

[bigheadfred]

But this isn’t a cold war discussion of the what ifs on what to do about russkie or chi-com plans to dominate the world and how to stop them.

Did they EVER, in your military experience, discuss the possibilities of targets inside the U.S.?

The enemy is in D.C. Not Texas.

[moonshot925]

I already explained that a SCOTUS ruling is the law of the land.

Texas v. White was a SCOTUS case which decided that unilateral state succession is illegal.

[Liberty Tree Surgeon]

I served many years on ballistic missile submarines. Our job was to follow orders...

Shoot, Moonshot, looks like you'll be able to join Obama's army as an officer then. Which is sooo cool, since those sorts of guys get snazier uniforms, the higher up in the organization they go. I bet you'd cut a fine figure of a man all in black with stylish silver and red accents to impress the ladies. Maybe they'd even let you press the button to nuke your favorite Texas city! Though they'd probably run that via a lottery for every Obama donation, so you'd better get hussling and send him some.

[Liberty Tree Surgeon]

All kidding aside, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.