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10 things the recent D.C. power outage taught us about a real, large-scale collapse
Natural News ^ | 7/8/12 | Mike Adams

Posted on 07/09/2012 4:27:31 PM PDT by Kartographer

#1) The power grid is ridiculously vulnerable to disruptions and failure

#2) Without electricity, acquiring food and water in a major U.S. city can become a difficult task

#3) Most people are simply not prepared and therefore worsen any crisis

#4) Cell phones are a fragile technology that can't be counted on in an emergency

#5) The internet is wildly vulnerable to natural disasters

#6) Many people have no clue what to do in an emergency

#7) 911 and other emergency services are quickly overwhelmed or completely offline

#8) A national grid-down situation would be far more complex to repair

#9) Modern cities are built on systems that have little redundancy

#10) Mother Nature will humble humanity

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KEYWORDS: disaster; preparedness; preppers; survival
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To: Kartographer

Depends on what you want to run. Honda makes some good portables that are gas powered.

They sell a lot of propane powered ones here for the backup systems. They are hard wired into the house. You can put a fairly big propane tank or just a 20 pound one to power them.


21 posted on 07/09/2012 5:06:32 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

11. GOD is in 100% control of “Mother Nature.”


22 posted on 07/09/2012 5:12:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: PLMerite
“I suspect the reason it didn’t turn really ugly in DC is because the LEO presence there is massive.”

It took a moment to realize what you were talking about.
Now, I'm thinking about what it would be like if we could send all of DC into Low-Earth Orbit (LEO).

23 posted on 07/09/2012 5:13:08 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: Kartographer
Modern cities are built on systems that have little redundancy

Redundancy costs money and doesn't vote.

The dollars that might have gone for redundancy are desperately needed to buy votes to keep incumbent politicians safely in their jobs.

25 posted on 07/09/2012 5:14:12 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: molson209

Yeah they’d be screaming about fema not being there. No peeps at all. It’s the state’s responsibility to fix all this, not Obama’s. Libs are just so hypocritical.


26 posted on 07/09/2012 5:16:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: PapaBear3625
#11: If you switched your phone to fiber-optic service, your landline phone will only work for a few hours after power goes out. A decade ago, the phone system supplied its own power over the phone line. Now, with fiber, it relies on a rechargeable battery in your basement, which will only last a few hours.

Because of this situation I have an old style, hard-wired phone in my house. It keeps on going when the power goes out.

27 posted on 07/09/2012 5:17:11 PM PDT by OldPossum ( "it's" is the contraction of either "it is" or "it has"; "its" is the possessive pronoun)
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To: Kartographer

Congressman Bartlett held a seminar about the terrorists trying to attack the power grid and bringing it down.
1-When it goes down it will probably be out 10-14 days.
2-The local grocery stores have supplies for the community for 3 days.
3-If the semi’s can’t get fuel for re-stocking there is no food in your community.
4-Have a 30 day supply of water and a 15 day supply of food minimum.


28 posted on 07/09/2012 5:17:44 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: grumpygresh
"Any recommendations for generators?"

I bought a diesel generator for a few reasons:

1. The fuel lasts far longer than gasoline while being stored.

2. No fussy electronic ignition components to deal with. (EMP?).

3. Diesels are inherently more efficient than gasoline generators as far as power produced per gallon.

4. A properly cared for diesel, due to its heavier construction, will last longer than a gasser.

Now the downside - Diesel generators are far more expensive than gassers and are harder to start when its cold. There are far fewer choices available as compared to gasoline models. They are louder as well (although my "silent" diesel is reasonably quiet).

As far as someone said up thread, if conditions are so bad that you have to worry about the zombies stealing it or taking over your place, it won't make much difference if it's gas or diesel. You'd better have lead, copper and steel available to protect it and your family.

29 posted on 07/09/2012 5:19:20 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: Kartographer

Gloom and doom? See the opportunities in disaster scenarios.

For example, see the foreclosures against government employed/pensioned NIMBYs after the bond collapse in our near future. They turn into zombies, attacking neighbors with ever more illogical false accusations, vandalizing properties of others, etc. Don’t know why. Anyway,...

Build a fence sufficient to keep zombies in a large lot (yes, in). Build the rendering plant for processing products from formerly government-supported zombies. Viola! Entrepreneurial initiative that pays off!

And don’t forget the other example: suburban livestock.

;-)


30 posted on 07/09/2012 5:27:06 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Kartographer

Anyone have any recommendations?

Honda

And forget about that little gas tank. Fit it to use a 5-10 gallon boat tank. You won’t have to get up in the night to refill.

Katrina tested!


31 posted on 07/09/2012 5:31:18 PM PDT by logitech (Who's here so vile, that will not love his country? If any speak, for him I have offended)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

My wife’s friend has a natural gas standby generator at her house, rigged to automatically start if she loses power. Natural gas gets interrupted far less often than electric (and there’s an option to make it also accept propane). You can get a 7kW generator for $1,800, and a 17kW for $3,700 from Home Depot. Sound level is 66db


32 posted on 07/09/2012 5:38:19 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Kartographer

TEN THINGS WE WILL DO in response to the DC POWER OUTAGE.

1. Nothing
2. Nothing
3. Nothing
4. Nothing
5. Nothing
6. Nothing
7. Nothing
8. Nothing
9. Nothing
10. Nothing

BUT, a vast amount of money will be spent doing Nothing.


33 posted on 07/09/2012 5:40:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: OldPossum
Because of this situation I have an old style, hard-wired phone in my house. It keeps on going when the power goes out.

I have an old-style hard-wired phone to supplement my cordless phones. It still died after a few hours.

Before fiber, the copper phone lines carried power as well as signal. With the switch over to fiber, this is no longer the case.

34 posted on 07/09/2012 5:41:27 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: MeganC
1. Buy something that is QUIET so your neighbors don’t hear it and try to steal it.

No such thing as a "quiet" generator. You can purchase an anchor, chain and lock made by Kryptonite that cannot be defeated by a bolt cutter. If they bring a cutting torch, they will make enough noise to alert you. That is why Colt make AR-15's.

2. Have a professional install it *inside* your house with the exhaust routed out an inconspicuous place on your roof.

Only if you want to start a fire in your house or die of carbon monoxide poisoning.

35 posted on 07/09/2012 5:42:00 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Kartographer
Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

Yes, we understand it's the doubters and scoffers who really get your goat. As such, they are the chief villains in your revenge fantasies.

If you guys made a movie it's certainly true that the criminals, gangbangers and feral types would be bad guys, but they would be played by extras and more or less disposable cannon fodder. The real bad guys -- the ones who wouldn't be vanquished until the very end -- would be the doubters and the scoffers. And their vanquishment would be in the form of being forced to BEG from the preppers.

It's that sweet moment of begging, the big Get Even, that lies at the dramatic heart of your hobby. It's what gives the whole thing its zest and what really compels you.

36 posted on 07/09/2012 5:43:14 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Kartographer

All freepers should read a book called One Second After. It is a great disaster novel about an EMP attack and was very well researched.


37 posted on 07/09/2012 5:43:26 PM PDT by Boiling point
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To: nascarnation
In Cleveland, Detroit, or Chicago it likely would have been pretty out of control.

The monsters are due on Maple Street.


38 posted on 07/09/2012 5:43:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: MeganC
1. Buy something that is QUIET so your neighbors don’t hear it and try to steal it.

That's right -- your neighbors are the enemy. They are zombies and will try to steal your C rations.

39 posted on 07/09/2012 5:46:29 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: grumpygresh

Low speed, propane/gasoline dual fuel powered. Google “diesel generator Bangor, ME” for everything you need to know.


40 posted on 07/09/2012 5:48:48 PM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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