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1 posted on 05/29/2012 12:30:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Absouletely. Every living former slave should be compensated by the people who enslaved them. If none are still living, then there is no one to give reparations to.

Oh? That’s not what they want to hear? Then perhaps they should explain why people who never were enslaved should be compensated for something they never experienced.


2 posted on 05/29/2012 12:37:16 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hell. No.

"We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power..... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave."

--Patrick Henry, to the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775


4 posted on 05/29/2012 12:45:24 AM PDT by Viking2002
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh. Hell. No!!!


5 posted on 05/29/2012 12:45:41 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Given the entitlements, high crime rate among blacks and other ways in which they take advantage of white America, they’ve been getting ‘reparations’ for decades.


6 posted on 05/29/2012 12:49:03 AM PDT by South40
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How about the reparations owed to regular America for the destruction wrought by the cRap culture of depravity, hate, hedonism, and lawlessness?

In the next weeks, NewsOne will speak with Black leaders on the topic of reparations and how exactly the concept can be contextualized in a contemporary narrative. More importantly, we will ask for feedback from our readers on the possibility of reparations and what we are willing to do – if anything — to ensure that it comes to fruition.

Sure, just visualize swarms of violent, entitled yutes helping themselves to the fruits of others' labors. Locust demons with a king Obama over them.

7 posted on 05/29/2012 1:02:07 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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Found some more red meat to throw to Freepers, eh, 2DV?


8 posted on 05/29/2012 1:05:18 AM PDT by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon. -- Michael Rothschild)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On top of the $10 trillion already paid?
(shrug) Sure.. Why not? Ubama’s beeen handing out the reparations through the back door since he took office anyway..


10 posted on 05/29/2012 1:08:47 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the intent is to restore them to their original circumstances, wouldn’t that mean recipients of reparations would have to return to Africa?


11 posted on 05/29/2012 1:11:45 AM PDT by E.Allen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When I’m paying last month’s bills with next month’s check, that’s slavery

No, that's redefining what slavery is in order to maintain your illusion of being a victim of it.
12 posted on 05/29/2012 1:12:39 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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Maybe this should be expanded to include the issue of whether the offspring of the slave traders should be tapped for some funds. Like maybe the proceeds from Obama’s books could be garnished to help raise funds for the sons and daughters of the former slaves?! Surely this should also be on the agenda!? [Have any of you suddenly switched sides? :]


14 posted on 05/29/2012 1:27:12 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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Yes, without a doubt.

Every living Black person who was owned as a slave should get something by way of compensation for the labor coerced.


15 posted on 05/29/2012 1:28:38 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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get a F’ing job, stop having fatherless kids by the boat load and grow up.


19 posted on 05/29/2012 1:44:13 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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No.


20 posted on 05/29/2012 1:44:55 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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Let’s do DNA testing, if they have a single drop of White blood, they get nothing. In fact, they would owe based on their Whiteness. How do you think that the argument would change then?


21 posted on 05/29/2012 1:47:32 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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If during our own age white-skinned Americans must atone for the 150 year-old sins of their white-skinned fathers who enslaved people of color, then it makes sense that those who began the institution of slavery sometime after the deluge be held culpable as well.

After the deluge, during the day’s of Noah, it was people of color who began this institution. It is known that slavery flourished in Babylonia under Nimrod and in the land of Ham, making people of color the first to enslave other people.

If contemporary people of color want to cast stones at white-skinned people for the sins committed by their white-skinned fathers, then people of color ought to begin by casting stones at their own distant fathers lest they be hypocrites.

Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.


22 posted on 05/29/2012 2:05:37 AM PDT by spirited irish
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If during our own age white-skinned Americans must atone for the 150 year-old sins of their white-skinned fathers who enslaved people of color, then it makes sense that those who began the institution of slavery sometime after the deluge be held culpable as well.

After the deluge, during the day’s of Noah, it was people of color who began this institution. It is known that slavery flourished in Babylonia under Nimrod and in the land of Ham, making people of color the first to enslave other people.

If contemporary people of color want to cast stones at white-skinned people for the sins committed by their white-skinned fathers, then people of color ought to begin by casting stones at their own distant fathers lest they be hypocrites.

Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.


23 posted on 05/29/2012 2:06:03 AM PDT by spirited irish
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When will these African nations ever apologize or pay "reparations" for slavery? Better yet, when will they end the practice?

Slavery in modern Africa

Slavery in Africa continues today. Slavery existed in Africa before the arrival of Europeans - as did a slave trade that exported millions of sub-Saharan Africans to North Africa, the Middle East, and the Persian Gulf.[1] However, slavery and bondage are still African realities. Hundreds of thousands of Africans still suffer in silence in slave-like situations of forced labour and commercial sexual exploitation from which they cannot free themselves.

Modern-day enslavers also exploit lack of political will at the highest levels of some African governments to effectively tackle trafficking and its root causes. Weak interagency co-ordination and low funding levels for ministries tasked with prosecuting traffickers, preventing trafficking and protecting victims also enable traffickers to continue their operations. The transnational criminal nature of trafficking also overwhelms many countries’ law enforcement agencies, which are not equipped to fight organised criminal gangs that operate across national boundaries with impunity.

Slavery by African country

Chad
IRIN (Integrated Regional Information Networks) of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports children being sold to Arab herdsmen in Chad. As part of a new identity imposed on them the herdsman "...change their name, forbid them to speak in their native dialect, ban them from conversing with people from their own ethnic group and make them adopt Islam as their religion."[2]

Mali
The Malian government denies that slavery exists, however, the slavery in Timbuktu is obvious. Slavery still continues with some Tuaregs holding Bella people.[3]

Mauritania
A system exists now by which Arab Muslims -- the bidanes -- own black slaves, the haratines.[4] An estimated 90,000 black Mauritanians remain essentially enslaved to Arab/Berber owners.[5] The ruling bidanes (the name means literally white-skinned people) are descendants of the Sanhaja Berbers and Beni Hassan Arab tribes who emigrated to northwest Africa and present-day Western Sahara and Mauritania during the Middle Ages.[6] According to some estimates, up to 600,000 black Mauritanians, or 20% of the population, are still enslaved, many of them used as bonded labour.[7] Slavery in Mauritania was finally criminalized in August 2007.[8] Malouma Messoud, a former Muslim slave has explained her enslavement to a religious leader:

"We didn't learn this history in school; we simply grew up within this social hierarchy and lived it. Slaves believe that if they do not obey their masters, they will not go to paradise. They are raised in a social and religious system that everyday reinforces this idea.[9]"

In Mauritania, despite slave ownership having been banned by law in 1981, hereditary slavery continues.[10] Moreover, according to Amnesty International:

"Not only has the government denied the existence of slavery and failed to respond to cases brought to its attention, it has hampered the activities of organisations which are working on the issue, including by refusing to grant them official recognition".[11]

Imam El Hassan Ould Benyamin of Tayarat in 1997 expressed his views about earlier proclamations ending slavery in his country as follows:

"[it] is contrary to the teachings of the fundamental text of Islamic law, the Quran ... [and] amounts to the expropriation from muslims of their goods; goods that were acquired legally. The state, if it is Islamic, does not have the right to seize my house, my wife or my slave."[12]

Niger
In Niger, where the practice of slavery was outlawed in 2003, a study found that almost 8% of the population are still slaves.[13] Slavery dates back for centuries in Niger and was finally criminalised in 2003, after five years of lobbying by Anti-Slavery International and Nigerian human-rights group, Timidria.[14] More than 870,000 people still live in conditions of forced labour, according to Timidria, a local human rights group.[15][16]

Descent-based slavery, where generations of the same family are born into bondage, is traditionally practised by at least four of Niger’s eight ethnic groups. The slave masters are mostly from the nomadic tribes — the Tuareg, Fulani, Toubou and Arabs.[17] It is especially rife among the warlike Tuareg, in the wild deserts of north and west Niger, who roam near the borders with Mali and Algeria.[18] In the region of Say on the right bank of the river Niger, it is estimated that three-quarters of the population around 1904-1905 was composed of slaves.[19]

Historically, the Tuareg swelled the ranks of their slaves during war raids into other peoples’ lands. War was then the main source of supply of slaves, although many were bought at slave markets, run mostly by indigenous peoples.[20][21]

Sudan
Francis Bok, former Sudanese slave. At the age of seven, he was captured during a raid in Southern Sudan, and enslaved for ten years.(Courtesy Unitarian Universalist Association/Jeanette Leardi)

There has been a recrudescence of jihad slavery since 1983 in the Sudan.[23][24]

Slavery in the Sudan predates Islam, but continued under Islamic rulers and has never completely died out in Sudan. In the Sudan, Christian and animist captives in the civil war are often enslaved, and female prisoners are often used sexually, with their Muslim captors claiming that Islamic law grants them permission.[25] According to CBS news, slaves have been sold for $50 apiece. [1] In 2001 CNN reported the Bush administration was under pressure from Congress, including conservative Christians concerned about religious oppression and slavery, to address issues involved in the Sudanese conflict.[26] CNN has also quoted the U.S. State Department's allegations: "The [Sudanese] government's support of slavery and its continued military action which has resulted in numerous deaths are due in part to the victims' religious beliefs." [2]

Jok Madut Jok, professor of History at Loyola Marymount University, states that the abduction of women and children of the south by north is slavery by any definition. The government of Sudan insists that the whole matter is no more than the traditional tribal feuding over resources.[27]

It is estimated that as many as 200,000 people had been taken into slavery during the Second Sudanese Civil War. The slaves are mostly Dinka people.[28][29]

Child slave trade
The trading of children has been reported in modern Nigeria and Benin.[30] The children are kidnapped or purchased for $20 - $70 each by slavers in poorer states, such as Benin and Togo, and sold into slavery in sex dens or as unpaid domestic servants for $350.00 each in wealthier oil-rich states, such as Nigeria and Gabon.[31] [32]

Ghana, Togo, Benin
In parts of Ghana, a family may be punished for an offense by having to turn over a virgin female to serve as a sex slave within the offended family.[33] In this instance, the woman does not gain the title of "wife". In parts of Ghana, Togo, and Benin, shrine slavery persists, despite being illegal in Ghana since 1998. In this system of slavery, sometimes called trokosi (in Ghana) or voodoosi in Togo and Benin, or ritual servitude, young virgin girls are given as slaves in traditional shrines and are used sexually by the priests in addition to providing free labor for the shrine.[34]

Ethiopia
Mahider Bitew, Children's Rights and Protection expert at the Ministry of Women's Affairs, says that some isolated studies conducted in Dire Dawa, Shashemene, Awassa and three other towns of the country indicate that the problem of child trafficking is very serious. According to a 2003 study about one thousand children were trafficked via Dire Dawa to countries of the Middle East. The majority of those children were girls, most of whom were forced to be sex workers after leaving the country. The International Labor Organization (ILO) has identified prostitution as the Worst Form of Child Labor.[35]

In Ethiopia, children are trafficked into prostitution, to provide cheap or unpaid labor and to work as domestic servants or beggars. The ages of these children are usually between 10 and 18 and their trafficking is from the country to urban centers and from cities to the country. Boys are often expected to work in activities such as herding cattle in rural areas and in the weaving industry in Addis Ababa, and other major towns. Girls are expected to take responsibilities for domestic chores, childcare and looking after the sick and to work as prostitutes.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_modern_Africa

24 posted on 05/29/2012 2:40:35 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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I want a Tax refund for the TRILLIONS in transfer payments for the past 52 years of Giveaways to Minorities


26 posted on 05/29/2012 3:03:10 AM PDT by ballplayer
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Well, the slavers who sold them to the white traders were often muslims, no? Building slavebases in new lands.

They probably should get some repairs from there.


27 posted on 05/29/2012 3:07:18 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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In Fairfax VA many drive expensive German or Japanese cares. I think they already got it.


29 posted on 05/29/2012 3:10:34 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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