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Lis Wiehl while on Neil Cavuto: Necessary and proper clause allows Obamacare
3/16/2012 | JOHNWK

Posted on 03/22/2012 4:01:41 AM PDT by JOHN W K

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1 posted on 03/22/2012 4:01:49 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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If the government can force you to buy health insurance, it means they own your body, not you, and you are just renting it from them.


2 posted on 03/22/2012 4:05:58 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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CCW morphing into CW II..


3 posted on 03/22/2012 4:17:07 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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Oh bullshit... this bitch just interpreted a clause that negates the entire document... this is why I negated fox.

LLS


4 posted on 03/22/2012 4:24:33 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: mo

It’s sadly starting to look like it, mo?


5 posted on 03/22/2012 4:39:26 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“Oh bullshit.....”

Oh no. The RinoCracy is going trot out all the news babes over the next few months to be sure us peons and peasants fully understand the lay of the land.

You see, “necessary and proper” has other, ominous, “homeland security” type issues....such that ANYBODY “interfering “ with such implementation of “necessary and proper” stuff will “need” to be dealt with for “the good of the country”. Right out of Nazi Germany type stuff.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 4:45:28 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: JOHN W K
Superb analysis of the necessary and proper clause by Randy Barnett here.
7 posted on 03/22/2012 4:47:32 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: mo
CCW morphing into CW II..

Huh?

JWK

8 posted on 03/22/2012 4:50:46 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Cold Civil War......


9 posted on 03/22/2012 4:53:22 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Jacquerie
I prefer to rely upon our founding fathers meaning of the necessary and proper clause as stated during the Ratification debates, which is in compliance with the most fundamental rule of constitutional law ____ enforcing the intentions and beliefs under which our Constitution was adopted.

“The fundamental principle of constitutional construction is that effect must be given to the intent of the framers of the organic law and of the people adopting it. This is the polestar in the construction of constitutions, all other principles of construction are only rules or guides to aid in the determination of the intention of the constitution’s framers.”--- numerous citations omitted, Vol.16 American Jurisprudence, 2d Constitutional law (1992 edition), pages 418-19, Par. 92. Intent of framers and adopters as controlling

JWK

The constitution is the act of the people speaking in their original character, and there can he no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power, contrary to the true intent and meaning of the constitution, is absolutely null and void.”(my emphasis) Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)

10 posted on 03/22/2012 5:01:42 AM PDT by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Bookmark


11 posted on 03/22/2012 5:17:01 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: LibLieSlayer
To quote John Marshall from McCulloch v. Maryland:

Let the end be legitimate, let it be within the scope of the constitution, and all means which are appropriate, which are plainly adapted to that end, which are not prohibited, but consist with the letter and spirit of the constitution, are constitutional,

12 posted on 03/22/2012 5:20:47 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Jacquerie

One thing I don’t get, the SC is not the court of origin in this but the final authority on an appeal. Does not the lower court record count? In other words, why is the government now allowed to change its stance on the issue? First, it was not a tax, then it was a tax. First it was the commerce clause than it is the proper clause. Why go through the charade of two inferior courts to get to this point and of what value was the record of the inferior courts?


13 posted on 03/22/2012 5:21:31 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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goop point mouton

...awaiting input from a freeper, esquire...


14 posted on 03/22/2012 5:31:55 AM PDT by Principled
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To: JOHN W K
"Necessary and proper" to carry out a specific power. The Constitution allows the Feds to raise armies and navies, which is why they can conscript people into the military, or require employers to reemploy, with no loss of seniority, those who volunteer to serve. Both are "necessary and proper" means of raising troops, which is a specified power.

What specified power is Obamacare "necessary and proper" to carry out?

15 posted on 03/22/2012 5:54:32 AM PDT by Pilsner
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Liz WIel is a dolt. Never liked her on BORing’s show....Her constitutional scholar creds are more than suspect


16 posted on 03/22/2012 5:56:08 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: JOHN W K

As with any court ruling against this administration, it will be a bump in the road that they ignore, as they proceed to destroy this country.

Throw the bastard out and rebuild this nation!


17 posted on 03/22/2012 5:56:11 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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VEEE can do anything.
ANNNEEEETHING!
VEE are the ALL-POWERFULLLLL GUMMINT!!!!

BOW DOWN, YOU CHURLS!! WORSHIP USSS!!!!

OR ELSE!


18 posted on 03/22/2012 6:03:06 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo ID for ALL voting. Let our dead rest in peace!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“If the government can force you to buy health insurance, it means they own your body, not you, and you are just renting it from them.”

Yes, I have been saying, since the start of this Obamacare fight, that by asserting the power to force an individual to purchase a product or engage in a particular form of commerce, as a condition of remaining a free citizen, the government is laying claim to OWNERSHIP of the individual citizen.

If I decline to purchase said product, the government will say “you must purchase”. I then will say I am a free citizen in this country and I cannot be compelled by the government to purchase a product against my will. The government will then say, well we passed a law and we have that power over you, you do not have the freedom to not purchase. I then will say I own my body and my life. They will then have to assert that, in this instance, they have ownership of my life and can force me to engage in this commerce.


19 posted on 03/22/2012 6:06:49 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: Flintlock

Why can’t the govt force us all to buy volts if it says it is necessary to carry out fuel and emissions laws as well as other bs?

If this mess is not dropped at the SC - i truly believe that it will spark something like you cant imagine.

These disgusting tyrants and communists are really itching for unrest now.


20 posted on 03/22/2012 6:07:20 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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