Perry Ruling: Perry Denied (only Mitt & Paul on ballot)

Red State Virginia ^ | January 14, 2012 | Kurt Feigel

[Texas Fossil]

A Judge has ruled that the ballot will stand as is for the Virginia primary with Ron Paul and Mitt Romney as the only candidates in the presidential primary.

In a 22 page ruling the Judge basically said that the Plaintiff’s: Perry,Gingrich,Santorum,Huntsman waited too long to file their request for an injunction.

The Judge said: “In essense, they played the game, lost, and then complained that the rules were unfair,” Judge Gibney pulled no punches here: “They knew the rules in Virginia many months ago; the limitations on circulators affected them as soon as they began to circulate petitions. The plaintiffs could have challenged the Virginia law at that time. Instead, they waited until after the time to gather petitions had ended and they had lost the political battle to be on the ballot; then on the eve of the printing of absentee ballots, they decided to challenge Virginia’s laws….The traditional purpose of a preliminary injunction is to prohibit an action. Preliminary injunctions are meant to protect the status quo…In this case, the plaintiffs request that the Court require the Board to add their names to the primary ballot, which is a positive act that alters the status quo.”

In essence the judged looked at the LAW, and ruled on the LAW, and didn’t practice activism. Fantastic. If people do not like the ruling they need to change the LAW in Virginia!

[X-spurt]

The very recent petition changes by RPV has been well doc’d here on FR.

I don’t really care what the Voters in Virginia are willing to put up with its their loss, anything even remotely similar would not be accepted here in Texas.

[ngat]

“IMHO, a better idea would be to “boycott” the primaries IF in fact the rules for getting ballot petitions certified were changed arbitrarily or at the last minute.”

Everything I’ve read in this forum indicates this is part of the rigging of the vote in favor of Romney, to deny his biggest rival in Virginia, Gingrich, any delegates in his home state. The way to defeat this scurrilous plan would be to vote for the only not-Romney on the ballot, and thus have Romney go down to defeat in the only one-on-one primary the Republican Party will have. Your vote is thus, not a wasted vote, and since we all know Congressman Paul is not going to win the nomination anyway, there is nothing to worry about in that regard either.

If you are a serious person, we both know you are not going to boycott the primaries - there are many more offices at stake on your ballot than just delegates to the national convention for the purpose of selecting a nominee for president.

[ngat]

“...anything even remotely similar would not be accepted here in Texas.”

I agree with you sentiments, but we in Texas are putting up with the fact that two appointed federal judges have our entire primary process in chaos right now, and have iron grip control over our elections. We do not know who our candidates are, the primary dates are as yet undetermined, the district lines are undetermined, and filing dates are to be re-opened in February. We still might have a split primary. What has happened to the people in Virginia is childs-play compared to the election-rigging that is going on in Texas right now.

[X-spurt]

Then throw support to the candidate who is most for the 10th Amendment, get the Feds out of our business. Perry.

That being said, there is a gigantic difference between what the Fed judge is doing in Texas and what the RPV is doing in Virginia. RPV is subject to its supporters and the voters, the damn fed judge is not.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Texas Fossil.

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[88keys]

I'm a little late to the "game", NOT to sound frivolous!

Of course, you are right about not totally boycotting the primaries...there is far more at stake than simply choosing the potential GOP nominee, and you definitely want to have your say on ALL those races, up and down the ticket.

Also, if your state is anything like MY state/town/district, there will be random school/library/social services/etc. tax levies/renewals/increases/etc. "issues" being tacked on at the end of the ballot, in very small print...not to mention possible proposed changes to the city/county/state charter/constitution, and we don't want to miss THOSE, either!

Sorry to get off on a "government is too big" rant (actually, sometimes I think the paperwork is just too big...it should all be simpler, then we would be able to track all this "legislation" ourselves and would need far fewer highly-paid unelected bureaucrats to sort it all out, impose rules, and enforce the latest regulations) BUT, aside from that, I know nothing about vote-rigging in Virginia (I'm in Ohio)...however, if you are not a sincere Ron Paul or Mitt Romney supporter, my other best idea would be to vote your entire ticket except for the GOP Presidential nominee.

JUST MHO! It would actually be even better to scream ("probably I shouldn't write that here") and get to the bottom of this "vote-rigging", and voter disenfranchisement...I've never heard of such as ridiculous thing as Paul and Romney being the ONLY two candidates "eligible" for the VA GOP primary!

Last thought...I am NOT advocating Romney, BUT, what makes you think if Paul wins VA, he won't go on to even bigger and better things?! It's a mistake to underestimate Congressman Paul's supporters, and I hope I don't get kicked off FR for saying I am NOT one of them, but the only way I could ever vote for Paul would be if it was him vs. Obama, and I think Gingrich said he wouldn't vote for Paul, even in THAT case?!

The GOP "race" has certainly turned into a mess, which plays right into Obama's hands...just my two cents!!

[X-spurt]

I don't think anyone, even RonPaul, seriously thinks he has enough votes to do the NOM. Many if not most of his nutcakes are not GOP at all, they are a combo of pure libertarian and peacenik nobama 08 voters.

In the unlikely event RP gets ahead in the early Primaries, when Super Tuesday voting comes along this Paul thing will be shut down, Romney's “friends” will see to that.

With JonBoy dropping out and kissin Mitt, it is looking like SC and FLA will be the last chances to keep from a shoe-in for Romney. My longshot is Perry and Newt being within close striking distance of the Nom if he does no worst the 2 in SC and 1st in FLA. Look for Mitt to try to re-stage in a brokered convention (one thing you can not take away from Romney is his persistence), if Newt jumps ahead on through the Primaries. Same for Perry.

Listening to Cain on Hannity, he's doing some “unconventional” endorsement before the SC Primary.

I could be 180 degrees off, but am betting Cain will say he would support a Newt/Palin ticket for the Nom.

Whether or not this election is the worst, I remember there being lots of candidate partisanship before mclame got the Nom and panic afterwards in 2008.

[X-spurt]

I don't think anyone, even RonPaul, seriously thinks he has enough votes to do the NOM. Many if not most of his nutcakes are not GOP at all, they are a combo of pure libertarian and peacenik nobama 08 voters.

In the unlikely event RP gets ahead in the early Primaries, when Super Tuesday voting comes along this Paul thing will be shut down, Romney's “friends” will see to that.

With JonBoy dropping out and kissin Mitt, it is looking like SC and FLA will be the last chances to keep from a shoe-in for Romney. My longshot is Perry and Newt being within close striking distance of the Nom if he does no worst the 2 in SC and 1st in FLA. Look for Mitt to try to re-stage in a brokered convention (one thing you can not take away from Romney is his persistence), if Newt jumps ahead on through the Primaries. Same for Perry.

Listening to Cain on Hannity, he's doing some “unconventional” endorsement before the SC Primary.

I could be 180 degrees off, but am betting Cain will say he would support a Newt/Palin ticket for the Nom.

Whether or not this election is the worst, I remember there being lots of candidate partisanship before mclame got the Nom and panic afterwards in 2008.

[muawiyah]

There you go again ~ you know very well that Mullins and Bolling had the rules regarding signature verification/validation changed in the last month just before the turn-in date, AND DIDN'T NOTIFY ANYONE.

Your constant repetition of the untruth about how long the rules have been in place constitutes VOTE FRAUD per se.

[muawiyah]

We need something a little heaftier than "send them a message" ~ many Freepers think this event targets the Lt. Governor, Bill Bolling, as a vote fraud facilitator who should probably be removed from government.

I'd rather go after his credit rating first.

[kabar]

The state rules didn't change. You need 10,000 valid registrered voters on the approved form with at least 400 coming from each of the 11 Congressional districts. No matter what Mullins or Bolling said or did in processing them, if Perry and Newt met the state rules, they would be on the ballot.

Huntsman, Santorum, and Bachmann didn't even bother to collect signatures. Newt tried to do it frantically at the last minute by holding rallies a few days before the deadline in Arlington and Richmond to collect signatures. He was disorganized and had no real grassroots operation in VA, the state he has been a resident of for the past 10 years.

[muawiyah]

Rules entertained per the authority of the state ~ which those verification rules certainly were ~ ARE PART OF THE LAW, just like a FORM is part of the law, or a judge's order.

The party changed the verification process they'd used since the beginning of time ~ per the authority of the state to allow them to do that. At the same time they excepted Mitt from their new standard.

It's corruption per se and a violation of the law.

[muawiyah]

No independent authority has validated Mitt Romney's signatures on the nominating petitions.

Without proof that they are true, they are manifestly fraudulent.

[kabar]

Your claims ring hollow. If the process as described in the undated Mullen memo was used, it is certainly legitimate since the state law shifts the resonsibility for verification to the political parties after the signatures are submitted to the Board of Elections. If Romney had more than 15,000 signatures on the proper form, collected by authorized personnel, and at least 600 coming each of the 11 congressional districts than it was allegedly deemed that he met the validation criteria.

But that is not the basis of the Perry, Gingrich, Santorum legal challenge, which the judge tossed out.

Here is the judge's decision. The Plantiff's complaint sounds like something the Left would use including the Voting Right's Act. They disagree with the standard itself, i.e., 10,000 signatures and 400 from each Congressional District, not how the signatures were validated. And they filed the compaint on December 27, long after the requirements were promulgated.

[muawiyah]

You can say what you want, use whatever argument you want, and MULLINS and BOLLING are politically dead in Virginia politics.

There's still time for them to beg forgiveness AND undo their evil deeds ~ but they show no inclination to do that.

Bolling will need to get an honest job.