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To: donmeaker; Impy
Who fired first. Rather sad for rebel apologists to complain about the noise of gunfire.

I'm not complaining about gunfire, perv. I was responding to this absurd 'preserve the union' clap-trap that you harpies go on about ad infinitum and the lie that the South started the war.

"The solution devised by Lincoln triggered a war that would kill seven hundred thousand Americans. Advised by his top military commanders that an incoming ship would be considered a threat to Confederates and would prompt an attack, Lincoln deliberately sent a ship of food provisions as well as additional armed soldiers to Fort Sumter, South Carolina. The Confederates fell for the ploy and fired the first shot. Lincoln responded by sending armed warships and deployed a total of seventy-five thousand troops to invade all of the Southern states."---Judge Andrew Napolitano

"I think War Between the States was fought over the issue of federal dominance. I think slavery was not the reason for the War Between the States. I think that Lincoln was a dictator who was terrified that by the loss of tariffs from southern ports – about 55 million dollars a year in 1860. It was a huge portion of the federal government's income, which consisted at the time of tariffs, user fees and land sales. It was the loss of those ports that caused Lincoln to wage war against the states. I don't think it was the Constitution that facilitated war. I think it was monster government that facilitated the War Between the States. I think slavery would have been eradicated on its own, much as it had been in Puerto Rico and Brazil and Portugal and Great Britain and even years earlier in western Europe."---Judge Andrew Napolitano

Through treachery and criminal activity, lincoln succeeded in transforming this country from a free confederation of independent states to a centrally controlled "union" of vassal states.

When the War of Northern Aggression was lost by the South, so were the rights to freedom over an oppressive federal government that will execute its will upon its citizens/subjects/servants/slaves at gunpoint. This is the yankee legacy. This is what you conservatives-in-name-only cheer about.

"…all the late and post War talk and modern propaganda about the War being a noble crusade to free the slaves and of Lincoln being the Great Emancipator is a shameless fraud. Preserving the Union was the principal purpose stated by the North. That might be called noble; if forcing states to bear a subservient and exploited status in an unwanted and to them unprofitable Union by gunpoint can be called noble. The North had more than just territory in mind when preserving the Union. Loss of the Southern States would mean loss of most tax revenues, of which over 90% were from the tariff that so burdened the South.

The “Civil War” was not really a civil war. Two titles for the war are most appropriate. For the South it was the War for Southern Independence. For the North it was the War to Prevent Southern Independence. It was not a glorious crusade to free the slaves. (Scruggs, The Un-Civil War, 13)

71 posted on 12/25/2011 7:58:04 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: cowboyway
Merry Christmas Cowboy


72 posted on 12/25/2011 8:18:07 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cowboyway; donmeaker
Oh I see so that sly old dog Lincoln tricked them rebels into shooting at American solders. That makes it's a ok. ;-p So let's say Jerry Brown says Cali is leaving the union so they can legalize cocaine and has the state police shoot up Vandenberg Air Force Base after they refuse to leave. I know which side I'd be on. ;)
77 posted on 12/25/2011 10:09:20 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: cowboyway

You are only partly right that the war was fought over federal dominance. The Slave Power demanded that they dominate the federal government. Further, the Slave Power demanded that it dominate state governments, even northern states that forbade slavery.

The war was begun by the Slave Power, to give Virginia the excuse they needed for their pretended secession.

Begun by the Slave Power, for the higher cause of Slavery.


83 posted on 12/25/2011 12:28:11 PM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: cowboyway; donmeaker; Impy; rockrr
cowboyway quoting Judge Napolitano: ""I think War Between the States was fought over the issue of federal dominance.
I think slavery was not the reason for the War Between the States..."

Years ago, on "Brian and the Judge", Napolitano used to say George Washington was called a "terrorist," and compared him to the likes of Yasir Arafat.
I thought at the time, there must be something wrong with Napolitano -- how could he not know that the word "terrorist" was not even coined until years after the American Revolution, that it was originally connected to excessive use of an invention by a certain Doctor Joseph-Ignace Guillotin, and that in no way possible would such actions or words apply to George Washington?

Now we see, assuming cowboyway's quote is accurate, that Napolitano has fallen completely off his rocker.
That's too bad.
I think he's generally a good guy, but this kind on nonsense makes him highly suspect, in my book.

87 posted on 12/25/2011 5:03:44 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: cowboyway

So long as we all understand that the war was made by the southern rebels who fired the first shot and seized federal forts, that we all understand that the raised tariff occurred after the pretended secession, and could not have passed without secession, and we all know that the pretended secession of several states occurred before Lincoln took office.

Then we can agree that pretending to blame secession, tariff and war on President Lincoln is an act of desperation on the part of people who don’t really care about facts.


139 posted on 12/28/2011 12:15:40 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendentall)
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