Posted on 12/11/2011 2:11:26 PM PST by mainestategop
So could some catholics explain this to me?
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thank you, your right
plenty of other people probably are.
New International Version (NIV)
16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
You ain’t just whisling Dixie there, dangus.
1 Corinthians 7:2-5 Amplified Bible
2 But because of the temptation to impurity and to avoid immorality, let each [man] have his own wife and let each [woman] have her own husband.
3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights (goodwill, kindness, and what is due her as his wife), and likewise the wife to her husband.
4 For the wife does not have [exclusive] authority and control over her own body, but the husband [has his rights]; likewise also the husband does not have [exclusive] authority and control over his body, but the wife [has her rights].
5 Do not refuse and deprive and defraud each other [of your due marital rights], except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, so that you may devote yourselves unhindered to prayer. But afterwards resume marital relations, lest Satan tempt you [to sin] through your lack of restraint of sexual desire.
1 Corinthians 7:9 Amplified Bible
9 But if they have not self-control (restraint of their passions), they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame [with passion and tortured continually with ungratified desire].
True envy is a concept so alien to me it is hard to comprehend. I cannot understand envy of a person for things. I assume most americans are the same as me...well, not counting communists, socialists, and democrats.
The 7 or 8 list goes back long before Gregory, to Evagrius of Pontus in the 300s.
But lists of sins are all over the Bible. Paul has a bunch of them.
The 7 capital sins (not deadly—they may or may not be deadly, depending on severity, intent, etc.; they are “capital” because they stand at the head of a lot of other sins—it’s an organizational chart; caput = head; they are headings for the lists of sins) are simply a way of thinking about how the various sins relate to each other, as a way of better resisting temptation.
Paul tells us to resist temptation so that it will flee from us. He gives us lists of sins to resist.
That’s exactly what the 7 capital sins are.
Your prejudice, prejudgment, is showing. You have to complain about Catholic this and Catholic that when in fact this is a no-brainer, straight from the Apostle Paul. And Jesus.
The 7 or 8 list goes back long before Gregory, to Evagrius of Pontus in the 300s.
But lists of sins are all over the Bible. Paul has a bunch of them.
The 7 capital sins (not deadly—they may or may not be deadly, depending on severity, intent, etc.; they are “capital” because they stand at the head of a lot of other sins—it’s an organizational chart; caput = head; they are headings for the lists of sins) are simply a way of thinking about how the various sins relate to each other, as a way of better resisting temptation.
Paul tells us to resist temptation so that it will flee from us. He gives us lists of sins to resist.
That’s exactly what the 7 capital sins are.
Your prejudice, prejudgment, is showing. You have to complain about Catholic this and Catholic that when in fact this is a no-brainer, straight from the Apostle Paul. And Jesus.
The love of money is the root of all evil. The caput of all evil is the love of money. The capital sin is love of money.
Just one example of how the Bible analyzes sin. The 7 capital sins are a way of analyzing sin. The Bible analyzes sin.
You’ll find lists of capital sins all over, in Proverbs, in the Penteteuch, in James, in Paul, in John. Lust of the eyes, . . . pride of life . . . Sounds like a list of capital sins.
Read your Bible again.
Upon further review I think you are right. Cassian had 8 because he had sloth and kind of sadness. Cassian was 4th-5th century.
I think some of the contempt for trust-fund babies involves envy.
Actually, the “seven deadly sins” are a reduced version of the Eight Grievous Vices catalogued by St. John Cassian in a brief work of the same title in the late fourth or early fifth century. The one omitted by St. Gregory the Dialogist was self-esteem. They also have parallels in the Ladder of Divine Ascent by St. John Climacus, a monk of St. Catherine’s Monastery in Sinai, a contemporary of St. Gregory, who is honored by the Orthodox with commemoration on one of the Sundays of Great Lent.
All of them (all eight, and the finer and more extensive list of vices St. John Climacus catalogs) can be seen to be sinful on the basis of Holy Scripture, but the cataloging of them and the understanding of the interrelations among different temptations as an aid to struggling against them with the help of God’s grace is part of the empirical experience of the Church, particularly of monastics.
It’s rather sad Pope Gregory omitted self-esteem, as the vice of self-esteem is now taught as if it were a virtue in our K-12 schools, and while our culture might objectively “celebrate” the other grievous vices, leaving aside fools who do so only for shock value and Randians who seem to think avarice is a virtue, no one has the temerity to actually teach that any of the seven deadly sins are virtuous.
I think I disagree about self-esteem. The way it’s taught or inculcated is dangerous nonsense. I would say there are self-esteem disorders in either extreme. But to esteem oneself as a redeemed sinner, precious in God’s sight is helpful to mental health.
Would you have men wearing burqua’s too? lol
It’s based on The Theology of Body by Pope John Paul II. It is possible to read the entire work on EWTN’s website.
>It’s the Pope’s job to explain the teachings of Jesus Christ & apply them to the modern world. (I’m a lay-Catholic that gets to Church early to get one of the good seats in the back of the Church. My opinion is just an opinion> not a real teaching.)
>This is my language & not Pope John Paul II: God doesn’t want a man to treat his wife as a total ‘sex object’ whose purpose is to satisfy his instinct for sex. (The sin is in the Heart & in the act.) Why mention adultery? It seems reasonable that God desires a husband to have as much Christian respect for his wife as he is commanded to have for all other women.
>Lust defined: An inordinate desire for or enjoyment of sexual pleasure. The desires or acts are inordinate when they do not conform to the divinely ordained purpose of sexual pleasure, which is to foster the mutual love of husband and wife and, according to the disposition of providence, to procreate and educate their children. (From> Modern Catholic Dictionary)
But esteem based on grace is not self-esteem. The twaddle they teach in schools, the I’m worthy because (fill in the blank with anything) is precisely the problem St. John Cassian found leading monks astray. He writes about what a subtle vice it is, how it finds an opening in the practice of any virtue (see how well I fast. . . see how humble I am. . . ). It is different from pride, in which one puts oneself in God’s place, a very human vice, rather than Luciferian, but grievous nonethless.
I think we both know your comment is nonsense and irrelevant.
The whole reason I dress modestly is to prevent causing sinful desires in women. Really. (Nods.)
If that lust for your wife results in many children does that mean lust is a good thing because she’s so, so, so....you know...?
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