Latest Harris and Mo. TEA party polls: Mitt, Rove and the media would rather you didn't see them

Coach is Right ^ | 11/23/2011 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

[Oldpuppymax]

We’ve all heard about the latest Gallup poll showing Newt Gingrich slightly ahead of Willard Romney and both of them ahead of Herman Cain.

People like Tokyo Rove and the Republican establishment (which now includes all of the media since Fox has jumped in Romney’s tank as well) do not want you anywhere near the latest Harris poll – it doesn’t fit their narrative which says Herman Cain’s campaign was mortally wounded by the false charges alleged by Gloria Axle-Red.

The Harris survey says otherwise. It says, to paraphrase Mark Twain, “The reports of the demise of Herman Cain’s campaign are greatly exaggerated.”

Herman Cain, the former Navy mathematician, leads the Harris Poll with 19% followed by Willard Romney the perpetual flip flopper at 16% and Newt Gingrich the former Freddie Mac lobbyist at 15%.

A review of the internal numbers carries some very nice news for Herman Cain.

When divided by basic ideologies the respondents who self identified as conservatives favored Cain with 19% while Gingrich gets 15% and Willard gets 12% – but hey he leads even Jon Huntsman 14/12 among liberals!

But wait; it gets better: among self identified TEA partiers, people with a high likelihood of voting, Cain’s lead grows. He is up 23% to 14% for both Gingrich and Willard.

The poll results also include a flashing yellow light for all three of the top tier...

[BagCamAddict]

From a poll on the right side of the page at this link:

http://www.coachisright.com/latest-harris-and-mo-tea-party-polls-mitt-rove-and-the-media-would-rather-you-didn%E2%80%99t-see-them/

Considering Newt Gingrich as the GOP nominee I will be:

unenthusiastic (36%, 14 Votes)

somewhat enthusiastic (33%, 13 Votes)

100% enthusiastic (15%, 6 Votes)

skipping the top line on the ballot (16%, 6 Votes)

Total Voters: 39

[Huck]

I think if Newt can't recover from the immigration dust-up, Cain will benefit. Some Newties will go back to Cain. Others might give Bachmann another try, or who knows, maybe even Santorum. But I am sure some have permanently soured on Cain, because of his obvious unreadiness.

This spells a splintered Tea Party field, with Cain, Newt, and the also rans splitting up the pie. And that is good news for Romney, who would be toast if the Tea Party had fielded a single viable candidate.

[BagCamAddict]

From the poll article at this link:

http://www.fultonsun.com/news/2011/nov/20/cain-wins-state-poll-tea-party-members/

Herman Cain was the winner of a statewide presidential straw poll announced Saturday of all Missouri Tea Party members.

With 995 total votes counted statewide, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich were virtually tied for second at 28 percent of the vote each.

Poll totals were: Herman Cain, 320 (32 percent); Ron Paul, 282 (28 percent); Newt Gingrich, 276 (28 percent); Mitt Romney, 32 (3 percent); Michele Bachmann, 31 (3 percent); Rick Perry, 30 (3 percent); Rick Santorum, 13 (1 percent); Others, 2 percent.

Philip Todd said the one-week poll was conducted between Nov. 10 and Nov. 17 throughout Missouri.

[Jeff Head]

Herman Cain is going to suprise a lot of folks come January when people actually start voting.

I pray God in Heaven it is so, and will work hard to help.

Herman Cain for America vs Barrack Hussein Obama, the man who despises America
http://www.jeffhead.com/cainvsobama.htm

[BagCamAddict]

And remember that someone wants Cain gone, as in, not living anymore. Cain is the only one with Secret Service protection.

Somebody fears him. (Or simply loathes him like crazy people do.)

[4Speed]

Newt will not recover fromt he Immigration “dust up”.

What IS IT about Politicians that do NOT realize that illegals immigrants cannot vote (legally) for them, but American citizens can ?

Geez

[Parley Baer]

“Newt will not recover fromt he Immigration “dust up”.”

Newt did not say a thing about giving them citizenship. In fact he is not for it. Try being intellectually honest and not follow in the footsteps of the msm and the dimoKKKRAT party.

[chiller]

Newt’s latest isn’t as bad as I first feared, but it has nonetheless dropped him back down into my “possibly” category. It’s also made me think that Cain WOULD be best in the WH, ready now or not. He will be ready when he needs to be.

[orinoco]

Gingrich was House Speaker in the 90’s when illegal immigration began to get out of control. Pat Buchanan was sounding the alarm about this issue but Gingrich and the establishment did nothing. Illegal immigration exploded during Gingrich’s watch. Somehow now we are to believe that Gingrich has solutions after he was, in part, the cause of this problem? I think not! Gingrich pretty much has the same approach as Perry. A vote for Gingrich is a vote for amnesty,

[philman_36]

Newt did not say a thing about giving them citizenship. In fact he is not for it.

Here's what Newt believes...
Immigration
10 Steps to a Legal Nation
Three Principles
2. Under no circumstance can a path to citizenship be created which would allow those who have broken the law to receive precedence over those who patiently waited to become residents and citizens via the legal process. Those who adhered to our immigration law cannot be usurped by those who violated it.

Snip...SOLUTIONS
5. There has to be a legal guest worker program, but its management must be outsourced to a sophisticated manager of anti-fraud systems, such as American Express, Visa, or Mastercard. (doesn't that sound like a winner! NOT)
Snip...6. Create a path to earned legality for some of the millions of people who are here outside the law.
Snip...We need a path to legality, but not citizenship, for some of these individuals who have deep ties to America, including family, church and community ties. We also need a path to swift but dignified repatriation for those who are transient and have no roots in America.

IMO it sounds to me like his plan is little more than a "slow roll" of the American people.
I can't find his plan for all of the people already here who will refuse to show up to "earn" their legal status. Is he going to just let them continue to stay in America anyway?

[Tennessee Nana]

the respondents who self identified as conservatives favored Cain with 19% while Gingrich gets 15% and Willard gets 12%
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Yeah well those so called “cconservatives” that voted for the former Wayward Teenager Willie Mitty should just shoot themselves and put themselvers out of their misery...

No bona fide Conservative is going to vote for that liberal same sex marriage abortionist...

[jaydee770]

>>...And that is good news for Romney, who would be toast if the Tea Party had fielded a single viable candidate...<<

Inadvertantly tilting the field to Romney has become my fear. I wish there was some way to coalesce around one non-Romney candidate, but that’s not going to happen. Apparently, our “farm team” system stinks at producing compelling candidates.

Just look at most of the campaign related message threads on FR - with a field of candidates that doesn’t really contain a strong, natural *LEADER* who can rally people together, we (FR) seem more than willing to gravitate to bickering, slinging mud and denigrating all of the candidates *and* each other. Some seem to be desperately warning us about an aspect of some candidate; some are tearing down a candidate while hiding behind the excuse of “vetting” and some of us just seem to like tearing others down period. It may be corny and unrealistic, but just once, I’d like to see campaigns “accentuating the positive and eliminating the negative”.

My concern is that we will be so focused on tearing candidates down that we won’t realize we are shooting ourselves in the foot until Romney is coronated. I can’t help but think that we (Repub voters) are playing this out just as the GOP hoped. That pisses me off and I can’t think of a darn thing anyone can do about it.

[Huck]

The Tea Party bench sucks. So does the Establishment bench. There is an absolute dearth of quality leaders. Others can wave their pom-poms all they want about "how anyone of them up on the stage would be better than Obama." That's a useless point to me. It's like listing all the diseases you'd rather have than cancer. So?

As for accentuating the positive, I have to tell you that's not really how I roll. I think people get too easily sucked into aggrandizing some politician or other. They put them up on a pedestal and prepare them for sainthood. Palin-mania was the most grotesque display of this on our side of the fence that comes to mind. And so I think it's worthwhile to knock them all down a peg or two, honestly and forthrightly.

The Cain train is filled up with a lot of Palin refugees, and they have carried that same tendency with them. I personally believe we should assess them all with eyes wide open. We should be critical, and the benefit of the doubt should be denied anyone seeking the office of the presidency. They're all up to something.

Some think that's too cynical. And yet it never fails. Some say it must suck to be me--to be so negative. I say seeing things the way they are and facing the facts is always better than pulling the wool over your own eyes.

If Romney wins the nomination, it won't be due to some establishment conspiracy--though many will say it is. It will be because he beat the competition. It's a pathetically weak field, and so it's not hard for Romney to come out on top. I think it's going to happen.

[Huck]

I am convinced Cain would lose to Obama. I think that if the GOP nominates someone as ill-prepared as Cain, an independent candidate will run, and Cain will come in third. Then the GOP is in the wilderness, and the center-left rules.

[jaydee770]

>>...It’s a pathetically weak field, and so it’s not hard for Romney to come out on top. I think it’s going to happen...<<

“Pathetically weak” may be a bit harsh — to me it’s more that there’s not a candidate that has consistently dominated the field. All I see is a muddled mess of candidates taking turns leading by a few polling points.

But I agree (and fear) you are right in that it’s going to play out in Romney’s favor.