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Older, Suburban and Struggling, ‘Near Poor’ Startle the Census
New York Times ^ | 11-1-11 | Staff

Posted on 11/19/2011 10:55:44 AM PST by radioone

They drive cars, but seldom new ones. They earn paychecks, but not big ones. Many own homes. Most pay taxes. Half are married, and nearly half live in the suburbs. None are poor, but many describe themselves as barely scraping by.

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She has one BlackBerry and two cars (both Buicks from the 1990s), and a $230,000 house that she, her husband and two daughters will move into next week.

Combined, she and her husband, a janitor, make about $51,000 a year, more than 200 percent of the official poverty line. But they lose about a fifth to taxes, medical care and transportation to work — giving them a disposable income of about $40,000 a year.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: The Antiyuppie

When we bought ours we went by only one of our incomes. Doesn’t work after retirement.


41 posted on 11/19/2011 12:08:34 PM PST by madison10
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To: albie

Tell me about it.
The day after I payed off my home the foundation shifted due to extreme drought.

Sigh....

Ow well, Another the price of another years mortgage should fix that.
Then there are some shingles to attend to.

I cant sell the place in this market


42 posted on 11/19/2011 12:32:55 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Another, another LoL!

Sorry for the typo, I was on the phone.


43 posted on 11/19/2011 1:04:46 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: GeronL

That couple has made a disasterious lifestyle choice. They should get a less expensive house or rent.


44 posted on 11/19/2011 1:18:59 PM PST by rcofdayton
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To: rcofdayton
That couple has made a disasterious lifestyle choice.

and encouraged by the FHA to do it...

45 posted on 11/19/2011 1:45:40 PM PST by EVO X
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All contributions are for the Current Quarter Expenses.
Git R Done!


46 posted on 11/19/2011 1:53:10 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Niuhuru

Because we had sons to protect from growing up around dangerous elements in society, we bought expensive middle class properties that we would not have bought otherwise.

People make choices to offset a set of problems and often they make sacrifices in another aspect of their lives.

This does not mean they are poor as suggested in this article. They were rich enough to have a choice for their family beyond the ghetto. They are making a sacrifice in expendable income to have that life for their family.


47 posted on 11/19/2011 1:57:30 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Niuhuru

No offense, but where in hell do you live where there are even 75k houses on the market? Haiti?


48 posted on 11/19/2011 2:05:40 PM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: Bud Krieger
My son works for UPS but he gets insurance and he is a part timer. For some reason I thought anyone over 30 hrs. was considered eligible for benefits.
49 posted on 11/19/2011 2:13:31 PM PST by linn37
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To: radioone

Have 30K down? mortgages have been figured as up to four times annual income.


50 posted on 11/19/2011 2:14:23 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: albie

I read the mortgage payment at around 2400 per month plus taxes and insurance.


51 posted on 11/19/2011 2:15:38 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: radioone
Near-Poor?

Do they mean Working Class?

Of course now this subset can be annexed as “Poor.”

What an embarrassment!

52 posted on 11/19/2011 2:20:17 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: radioone

Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal

Here is an example of why hiring illegal aliens is not economically
productive for the State of California ...

You have 2 families...”Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”. Both families have 2
parents, 2 children and live in California. “Joe Legal” works in
construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with
payroll taxes deducted....”Jose Illegal” also works in construction, has
“NO” Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per
year.

Now take 30% away for state federal tax, Joe Legal now has $31,231.00

Jose Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per
year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes... Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00

Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00
per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00

Jose Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and
local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00

Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare.
Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month, $12,000.00 per year. Joe
Legal now has $7,231.00

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and
Welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month. $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal
is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769.00

Jose Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal
pays rent. $500.00 per month. $6,000.00 per year Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
work.

Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe
Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a
government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school
ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services,
but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Don’t vote/support any politician that supports illegal aliens...Its PAST
time to take a stand for America and Americans!


53 posted on 11/19/2011 2:30:25 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: gemoftheocean; Niuhuru
No offense, but where in hell do you live where there are even 75k houses on the market? Haiti?

Death Valley? Watts? Hogjaw Kansas? Hacksaw Arkansas?

Some folks are just completely detached from reality.

54 posted on 11/19/2011 2:31:34 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

ten years ago in the sierras of California you could not touch anything for less than 250,000 bucks. This year, you could buy a lot in town with a one bedroom for 89,000. Yes, it was a prefab house but hey!

Only catch is the county (Touolumne) now is running 40% unemployment after the state shut down the mining and logging a few years back.

Give Obama time, houses will all be down to 50,000 range.


55 posted on 11/19/2011 2:35:15 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: radioone
Someone care to tell me how you make $51,000 and get a mortgage on a $230,000 house.

Well if you put a large enough down payment to br able to qualify......but that doesn't seem like the case here

She put $3000 down on a 230,000 home....some real fishy about that loan...

56 posted on 11/19/2011 2:44:17 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: American in Israel
Give Obama time, houses will all be down to 50,000 range.

Yeah, and millions will still owe 100k, 250k and 350k+ on their mortgages...Almost there.

But they won't be getting bailed out like the fatcorps, banks and Wall Street did.

57 posted on 11/19/2011 2:46:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: radioone

They robbed Peter to pay Paul. Paul is doing pretty good these days without lifting a finger for it. Paul is working his ass off and getting little for it.

We are all socialists now.


58 posted on 11/19/2011 2:48:11 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: radioone

$3,000 down payment on a $230,000. Class, what is the problem with this math equation? Anybody? Bueller?

Yes class, this is how we got into the housing bubble. Just wait until her house goes down to $190,000 and she walks away from it.


59 posted on 11/19/2011 2:51:14 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: MSF BU

$3,000 down payment.


60 posted on 11/19/2011 3:08:48 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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