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Posted on 11/11/2011 12:20:45 PM PST by ken5050
I've been following the events at Penn State as they unfold, and like everyone, am horrified at what I've read. But there are two things that have bothered me about this story, that I'm having trouble understanding, keeping in context, and may well provide a viable alternative explanation of what happened.
The complexities in the McQueary case is probably whistle blower protections for employees.
“When I waa in college, it used to get on my nerves that everyone acted as though paterno was a god. There was always something that just wouldn’t allow me to like him. It took this long to find out why.
When I get those gut feelings about people, sometimes I find out right away and sometimes it takes years, but it works.”
I’m with you. I’ve had a negative feeling about Paterno for decades, but couldn’t quite put my finger on it. Now we know it was all self promotion disguised as school pride.
JC
“I think you’re judging him just on a gut feeling.”
You are missing the point. Gut feelings (I call them first impressions) are frequently spot on for someone who is very observant!
JC
Oh knock it off! I doubt anything happened on campus that Paterno didn’t know about or would soon find out. That school was his life for its entire modern history, so he was plugged in to everything, else he would have never survived there for so long because he knew where all the bodies were buried (so to speak). That happens in all long term institutions where it is just too hazardous to push someone with too much inside knowledge out the door if he doesn’t want to go. Poor health usually solves the problem, but ol’ Joe has good genes. Get a clue!
JC
“No one would want to continue to interact with Sandusky if he raped your child. You would move your child to another state and get away from the pervert. I can’t believe McQuery would still want to work around him if he was raped or molested as a child.”
Don’t ever change; there is something refreshing in your attitude! There are explanations for irrational behaviors like may have happened here - “Stockholm Syndrome” and “battered wife syndrome” come to mind. Both are sick and pitiful, but do exist...
JC
Sandusky will be killed, we will be told it was suicide. No way this many powerful people will allow him a chance to rat out his partners in crime.
WPaCon is just acting the fool, but there was the DA that refused to proscecute Sandusky who disappeared (recently declared dead without a body) and whose laptop PC’s hard drive had been discarded/destroyed such that no info was recoverable. WPaCon will slink back into the bushes when the full story eventually comes out! Hang in there, your instincts are good...
JC
“paterno, who clearly tolerated the intolerable
It is not clear whether he tolerated it. That’s the thing.”
Sure it is; Paterno himself admitted that he “should have done more” with respect to followup on the child rape eye witness accusation that was covered up. Are you really that ignorant or just another enabler for such?
JC
” I’m holding out my judgment on him.”
No, you are not! You have been actively challenging anyone who even remotely suggests that Paterno has tolerated these goings on at Penn State over the past several years. I can maybe even understand some of that from a biased alumnus, but at least admit it!
JC
I've never practiced criminal law and I don't practice in Pennsylvania, so I don't know whether leaking a Grand Jury presentment is customary. However, grand jury reports (as perhaps opposed to presentments) are especially prepared by (or for) the grand jury to be distributed to the public.
Grand jury testimony is not supposed to be leaked.
Remember the conservative outrage when Karl Rove's grand jury testimony was leaked in the Valerie Plame affair?
None of the Sandusky/Curley/Schultz grand jury testimony has been leaked to my knowledge.
Everyone is in on it to save thier careers
“This book will be a special read for anyone who respects people who are unselfish and give a little piece of themselves to everyone with whom they come in contact...Enjoy, because this man, Jerry Sandusky, is an original piece of work!" Dick Vermeil, foreword in Sanduskys autobiography entitled Touched.
Yes.
Good point...and I have no answwer, excedpt that sometimes, when its close to home..family..normally smart people don’t alwatgs do the right thing. I can easily see the kid..now maybe 13-15..begging his dad NOT to report it. 10-15 years ago..sexual abuse was viewed, and handled differently..rememebr, 20 year ago, in a rape case, the victim could be “put” on trial
ESPN.com has a long story about Sandusky. His father was a recreational director who worked with kids...That’s an interesting occupation...around young children....because very often, victims of sexual abuse become predators themselves. Wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he was molested by his dad.
I was referring to McQueary.
I think they wanted to make a statement and firing Paterno would do that.
They had to do it. If they would have let him coach and if they would have won, He would have been praised and celebrated. It would have been a bad situation.
Thanks for the information about ESPN. It would not surprise me either.
Yes, I have read the grand jury report.
At this point, asking someone in State College whether they have read the grand jury report is like walking into a church and asking if anyone has read the Bible.
After reading the report, which was hard to make through, I thought it was less likely that Paterno was guilty in actively perpetuating the cover-up. However, as I have been saying, we still don’t know.
Ok, buddy, right now I'm back in State College where I have people to meet and things to do, and all of this while possibly the most eventful week in the history of this town is going on in the midst of a national media firestorm, and while I and many others are trying to make sense of this debacle. So right now, posting on an anonymous internet forum isn't on the top of my to-do list.
If you're gonna say asinine stuff like that, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.
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