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2002 Passed: In-State Tuition for Undocumented Students in Utah

March 1, 2011 Amended: Utah in-state tuition for non-citizens .........."The House did amend the bill to require undocumented students, their parents or guardian to pay state income taxes for three years as a condition of obtaining in-state tuition. The time period matches the amount of years a student must attend a Utah high school (and graduate) to be eligible for the benefit.

Wimmer said that's not an unreasonable expectation. "All we're asking is for a little personal responsibility," he said. "How could that be wrong?"

Rep. Rebecca Chavez-Houck, D-Salt Lake, said legislators could be treading on equal protection laws.

"It almost smacks of being a poll or special tax," she said.

As for HB191 itself, which ultimately passed 44-28, Rep. Kay McIff, R-Richfield, invoked Abraham Lincoln and Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court ruling in arguing against it. He said it would discourage Latinos, whether citizens or not, from going to college.

"If we narrow the schoolhouse doors in any way, we go against our higher duty," he said.

Majority Assistant Whip Ronda Rudd Menlove, R-Garland, said everyone is frustrated over the federal government's inaction on illegal immigration. But "we're going to take out our frustration with a broken system … and punish 650 students."..

1 posted on 10/26/2011 12:35:01 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield

Oct 6, 2011 Interviewing Rick Perry On Illegal Immigration [10 Points]

2 posted on 10/26/2011 12:36:14 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This policy makes sense, of course, given the constraints states face in regards to illegal immigration. A dozen states have similar policies.

Oh, in before the anti-Perry kill them illegals troll squad.


3 posted on 10/26/2011 12:41:04 PM PDT by magritte
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4 posted on 10/26/2011 12:42:04 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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No Thanks Anita. We’ll go with our conservative options.


5 posted on 10/26/2011 12:42:34 PM PDT by NoMitt
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How can they become productive citizens as this purports if they are not citizens? That argument alone makes it a form of dream act. It is like rewarding frequent flier miles to the thief who used tickets belonging to someone else.


7 posted on 10/26/2011 12:43:15 PM PDT by Ingtar
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Bullshit.

No. 1, why teach in Spanish and accomodate non-English speaking interlopers? Why not make English the Official Language in Texas, requiring NO PRINTING IN SPANISH of an State Documents, no Non-English text books, no Non-English signage of any kind produced by the State?

THEN, we'll believe this drivel.

8 posted on 10/26/2011 12:43:42 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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How any real American can support this is beyond me. Damn illegal-lovers.


10 posted on 10/26/2011 12:48:04 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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“Critics say it’s a policy Texans don’t support. But it was overwhelmingly passed by the state legislature in 2001 with just five dissenting votes out of the 181 members in both houses. If that isn’t a majority, and a bipartisan one at that, I don’t know what is.”

2001?????????????

Nice try to distort the issue. Yes, Americans as a whole were more receptive of illegals and amnesty back then (2001), because the tagline was that they were coming her to survive and for a better life, and that they were actively assimilating into American culture, not the other away around. In 2001, there really wasn’t up uproar.

Then around 2004/2005, the illegals started getting bold. They no longer wanted to concentrate on assimiliation. They DEMANDED rights. They started singing the National Anthem in Spanish and protesting in large numbers in majors cities with the Mexican flag. When people started to see that, that’s when the whole issue changed to no Amnesty.

Tancredo’s Opinion Column from August sums up the Majority view now (if it wasn’t the majority view, Perry’s numbers wouldn’t have tanked)
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61076.html


13 posted on 10/26/2011 12:51:37 PM PDT by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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But the people of Texas and the law support it

HORSE SH*T! I have kids in college and one was roomed in the dorms with one of those DREAM ACT illegals. Talk about a free ride. You do NOT want me to get started on this soap box. NO YOU DO NOT! There is not one Texan I know of that supports this crap.

16 posted on 10/26/2011 12:53:52 PM PDT by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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A 2010 Texas Tribune Poll found that 77% of Texans OPPOSE in-state tuition for illegals.

It doesn’t “work” for Texas. It’s being crammed down our throats.

Gov. Perry will NEVER rationalize away this issue to the satisfaction of conservatives. So long as you - and him - keep defending this blatant catering to illegal entry, his campaign is going to stay in the single digits.


18 posted on 10/26/2011 12:55:43 PM PDT by ziravan (You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be President. . . but it helps!)
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It is terrible policy, and it is a form of amnesty. All that can be said for Perry on this one is that a veto would have been utterly futile and the feds aren’t doing their job. Everyone of the these “scholars” should be deported back to their countries of origin. They have received enough stolen goods and services from the citizens of the US and Texas.

I have defended Perry on other threads and would vote for him, but this policy can only be defended by a corrupt form of sentimentality.


23 posted on 10/26/2011 1:00:00 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Critics say it’s a policy Texans don’t support. But it was overwhelmingly passed by the state legislature in 2001 with just five dissenting votes out of the 181 members in both houses. If that isn’t a majority, and a bipartisan one at that, I don’t know what is.

If it was put forth to be voted on by the CITIZENS of Texas, it would show that indeed the majority of us are against it. The legislature didn't ask us ... they went around us and passed it.

24 posted on 10/26/2011 1:01:35 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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La Raza Rick is encouraging more illegals to come and get educations for their kids that he and his political cronies are subsidizing in preference to the kids of actual citizens.

Perry supporters, like Perry himself desire to give Illegals that come here from Columbia to sell drugs a subsidized price on educating their kids. Much better than offering such to a Marine Corps combat veteran from Kentucky who wants to send his kids to a Texas university.

Perry and his sycophants will not remain unchallenged. His position and their position is what it is.

25 posted on 10/26/2011 1:02:07 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Works for Texas - cool.

I still hate it for the USA. And I won't vote for any politician who thinks any kind of incentive for illegal aliens at all is OK.

Its that simple.

31 posted on 10/26/2011 1:09:57 PM PDT by skeeter
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He has yet to indicate that he would do so as President.

In fact he is outspokenly against the federal DREAM act.

51 posted on 10/26/2011 1:53:40 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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“Perry’s in-state tuition Works for Texas (and Utah..)”
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Tell that to some Texas kid who has worked his azz off in his uber competitive suburban high school.. and graduates in
the top 20%... only to be rejected by UT Austin in place of some illegal alien!


75 posted on 10/26/2011 2:48:35 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander -- ..........................NUTS !)
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Perry is looking sharp!

84 posted on 10/26/2011 3:32:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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