Rather than trying to amend the Constitution, the liberals have come up with this idea. What they want to do is eliminate the Electoral College, but they can’t do that because the Electoral College is written into the Constitution. So instead, they want to manipulate how the Electoral votes are given to candidates.
bflr
The Constitution is silent on the means by which states apportion their electoral votes, except to the extent that it must conform to a “republican form of government”, which this plan does. A Constitutional attack is guaranteed to fail.
Also, I think we stand to gain at least as much by contesting for the electoral votes of California, New York, and Illinois as we stand to lose amongst the smaller and more rural states.
-ccm
The Constitution is silent on the means by which states apportion their electoral votes, except to the extent that it must conform to a “republican form of government”, which this plan does. A Constitutional attack is guaranteed to fail.
Also, I think we stand to gain at least as much by contesting for the electoral votes of California, New York, and Illinois as we stand to lose amongst the smaller and more rural states.
-ccm
Obamanation plans to be a one term president, his lifetime apparantly.
May the good Lord Jesus Christ protect us from the obamantion of liberalism.
PS. It is time for the states to rid the country of the marxist federal government by banding together and destroying the evil federal government who is destoying the middle class daily.
It’s a damned shame we cannot copy the content of this posted article at FRee Republic to file for reference as we round up our troops and try to gain their attention to this matter.
It certainly would be a help to be able to send excerpts to draw interest as we hit our contacts cold with this.
Apparently the providers of this article are more interested in hits at their website than actually getting this to go viral.
If due my lack of ‘puter expertise there is some reason my fault I cannot copy this, please somebody advise.
Tom Campbell is behind this crap?
Isn’t this rich? The liberals want to use States Rights to control the electoral college outcome of a federal election!
In ANY other issue: abortion,marriage definition,2nd Amendment.... any one, they push for federalization of laws.
This one is being done apparently because they know they cannot write the Electoral College out of the Constitution. So this is part of the Soros efforts to “Stalinize” the vote counting by the state’s Secretarys of State This is an outcrop of the Secretary of State project. Correct?
Then the real war begins!
South CarolinaThis movement is insidious and further shreds our Constitution.
It has been introduced in the SC House as H. 4154 and in the SC Senate as S860. More info here.
I urge each memebr of this ping list to contact your Representative and your Senator about this assault on our way of electing the President of the United States.
See my post from Sept 20th
Leftist Talk Radio host Norman Goldman ask listeners to rig election
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2781296/posts
For weeks following my post he has been asking his listeners and someone he calls “Anonymous” to rig the election computers. That’s right, asking his listeners to commit voter fraud everyway possible – right on the airwaves. Would not believe it if I didn’t hear it for myself. Using the Airwaves to call for voter fraud has to be illegal.
I did not get what he meant by “Anonymous” right away but now it all makes sense. You all have seen the strange V for Vendata mask in nearly every news shot of the protest. That is who “Anonymous”is. Google WE ARE LEGION: ANONYMOUS and connect the dots for yourself.
This isn’t a democracy, this is a represenattive republic.
If we determine presidents by popular vote, then why do we need congressional representatives? If we don’t need congressional representatives any longer, then why do we need congressional districts? Why do we need a census? If we don’t need congressional districts, then why do we need states? If we don’t need states, then why do we need senators?
This is utterly unconstitutional and treasonist.
The time has come.
SCOTUS has ruled as follows:
"The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College. U.S. Const., Art. II, §1. This is the source for the statement in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1, 35 (1892), that the State legislature’s power to select the manner for appointing electors is plenary; it may, if it so chooses, select the electors itself, which indeed was the manner used by State legislatures in several States for many years after the Framing of our Constitution."
HOWEVER, SCOTUS has also ruled that:
"When the state legislature vests the right to vote for President in its people, the right to vote as the legislature has prescribed is fundamental; and one source of its fundamental nature lies in the equal weight accorded to each vote and the equal dignity owed to each voter. The State, of course, after granting the franchise in the special context of Article II, can take back the power to appoint electors. See id., at 35 (“[T]here is no doubt of the right of the legislature to resume the power at any time, for it can neither be taken away nor abdicated”) (quoting S. Rep. No. 395, 43d Cong., 1st Sess.)."
"The right to vote is protected in more than the initial allocation of the franchise. Equal protection applies as well to the manner of its exercise. Having once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person's vote over that of another. See, e.g., Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 383 U.S. 663, 665 (1966) (“[O]nce the franchise is granted to the electorate, lines may not be drawn which are inconsistent with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment”). It must be remembered that “the right of suffrage can be denied by a debasement or dilution of the weight of a citizen’s vote just as effectively as by wholly prohibiting the free exercise of the franchise.” Reynolds v. Sims, 377 U.S. 533, 555 (1964)."
With NPVC, the state grants its citizens the right to select the state's electors, but will rescind that right if the NPV goes aginst the candidate that was initially selected by the state's voters.
This is quite likely a violation of 14th Amendment rights, as described in the quotes [above].
Additionally, the NPVC might likely be considered a political compact subject to congressional approval - which the states have not gotten. Or, the NPVC might be ruled in clear violation of Article II, Section I as to the plenary right of the state to choose its own electors. The Constitution DOES NOT state that electors can be selected on the basis of OTHER state's votes.
Also, in a razor-thin election, could a candidate DEMAND a nation-wide recount since the NPV determined the outcome of the election? I mean, even forcing states that DO NOT participate in the NPVC? Who is going to shoulder the expense - the states [even those NOT participating in the NPVC]? It would not matter that there was a landslide in a given state - they would have to recount EACH AND EVERY vote since EACH individual vote contributed to the CUMULATIVE total nation-wide ...
It's Time to Junk the Electoral College We don't need an amendment to do it. (Soros' son)
...The National Popular Vote compact has already been enacted by four trailblazing states --Maryland, New Jersey, Illinois and Hawaii --and has been introduced in 41 others. It's time that the rest of them got on board.
This lasts until a republican takes the popular vote (2012?). Then all the lefty wimps will be shrieking like little girls to stop this garbage.
What the commies should be worried about is the movement to declare the democrat party a seditious organization and the leadership arrested for treason.
Hey, that would settle the annual uncertainty about how many games there will be, wouldn't it?
Bump for later reading!