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1 posted on 10/19/2011 7:13:09 PM PDT by OL Hickory
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To: OL Hickory

ping


2 posted on 10/19/2011 7:17:08 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: OL Hickory

“can the plan be changed to a national sales tax on corporations only?”

Why would you want that?


3 posted on 10/19/2011 7:19:24 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: OL Hickory
A VAT is a tax on the sale of everything.
Farmer sells wheat? Tax it. Miller sells grain? Tax it. Baker sells bread? Tax it. Restaurant sells sandwich? Tax it.

VAT's are bad.

Herman Cain's plan is a tax on retail sale. Retail only.

It's OK to dislike a 9% retail sales tax, but it is not a VAT.

Also: about 50% of the population pays no federal tax at all. That's not fair. With a retail sales tax, the poor will start to contribute, and they may stop clamoring for the government to spend more, and more, and more.

4 posted on 10/19/2011 7:21:33 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: OL Hickory
Do you think that ANY business will not pass on any and all taxes they pay?

Businesses don't pay taxes, you do.

6 posted on 10/19/2011 7:22:16 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: OL Hickory
Value Added Tax - Wikipedia.

A VAT is added at every stage of production, as a percentage of the "value added" (selling price minus costs) at each stage, and is hidden in the price. A sales tax is only applied when the consumer finally buys the product, and is visible as an add-on to the price.

7 posted on 10/19/2011 7:26:56 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: OL Hickory
I just heard him explaining this. A person in the 15% tax bracket would gain 6% because their taxes would go down to 9%. When they buy something (new) they would pay a 9% retail sales tax. They would no longer have income taxes deducted from their paycheck.

People in higher brackets - 25% and 35% would realize a bigger drop in tax rates, but are likely to buy new cars and other items that would be taxed at retail. Lower income brackets buy more used goods and would be not paying tax on such.

I suppose luxury items like TV cable and internet service would be taxed at 9%, but heard nothing about utilities or services like dental work.

13 posted on 10/19/2011 7:41:29 PM PDT by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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14 posted on 10/19/2011 7:42:18 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: OL Hickory

One question among many I have is if the corporate tax is reduced or done away, will employees get a pay raise? Don’t bet on it.


17 posted on 10/19/2011 7:49:47 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: OL Hickory

What we have now is already a vat tax. Goods get taxed at every level before they reach the consumer and then the consumer is taxed on the end product. Almost always the intermediate taxes by middle men get added to the price of the product so that the consumer is paying several taxes on an item. The 9-9-9 plan eliminates the intermediate taxes. The only taxes on goods are the 9% sales tax to the consumer. The hidden taxes are gone. Prices should be lower on end products when market pressures prevail. I see nothing bad and only good with the 9-9-9 plan.


18 posted on 10/19/2011 7:51:42 PM PDT by lwoodham (There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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There is a whole bunch of miss-information about the 9-9-9 plan and I figure a lot of it is intentional to confuse people. I suggest visiting the 3 following calculator sites and trying your own numbers to see how it would affect you. I personally ran my numbers and I am very middle class salary wise and I come out $8300/year better off on federal taxes than I am now. And that is, if I buy 100% new products instead of used.

http://www.nerds4cain.com/Blog/archives/723

http://www.999calculator.net/

http://www.nerds4cain.com/Blog/archives/917

21 posted on 10/19/2011 7:58:48 PM PDT by lwoodham (There are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: OL Hickory
I love Herman, however his 999plan looks like a ticket to Hooverville.

Just sayin, ya know, history repeats, an what not.

22 posted on 10/19/2011 8:02:00 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: OL Hickory

It’s not the sales tax that is the VAT. It is the corporate tax that is essentially a VAT. As opposed to the current corporate tax that is based on profits, the 9-9-9 plan taxes “gross income less all purchases from other US located businesses, all capital investment, and net exports.” That’s a straightforward value-added tax: a tax on business receipts less inputs.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 8:10:15 PM PDT by NC28203
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To: OL Hickory

In the long term prices should come down as competition sets in and/or wages may increase a little. In the short term you’ll have 9% less money to spend and the deficit will increase. Expect rioting by the poor.


27 posted on 10/19/2011 8:12:54 PM PDT by 83Vet4Life
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To: OL Hickory
I am in no way an economist but I think 27% total tax...

The tax is not 27% total. It is 18% since money is either income or business revenue, never both. The whole point of the system is that money is never taxed as both. So the total tax is always 9% + 9%.

If you look back at Federal Revenue since the inception of the income tax, it has always been between 18% and 20%. The Cain plan would net 18%.

30 posted on 10/19/2011 9:17:17 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: OL Hickory

Forget 999 it’s DOA.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer is the real answer.


31 posted on 10/19/2011 9:55:16 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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