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1 posted on 10/17/2011 4:48:43 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: apoliticalone

If I’m not mistaken, this would require a change in the law. And such a law will be difficult to pass until we get more tea party folks elected.


2 posted on 10/17/2011 4:52:17 PM PDT by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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For every business owner who hires illegals do what President Eisenhower did: Not only send the illegals back over the border but put the business owners IN JAIL as he did, IN JAIL!!


3 posted on 10/17/2011 4:54:04 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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The real value of the full and complete fence is not only keeping invaders to a minimum... It takes away the ability of the Democrats and Liberals to play politics with enforcement of the unfenced sections.

THAT is the real value of the fence and the real reasons they fight so strongly against it. Now think about every time the Guard gets sent there...unarmed and useless...the BP gets ROEs that make them into targets.

THINK!!!


4 posted on 10/17/2011 4:54:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: apoliticalone
You cannot make a people moral by using terror.

That is the totalitarian way. And once you start down that path, it becomes blood sacrifice to moloch.

/johnny

5 posted on 10/17/2011 4:56:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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We don’t need a billion dollar fence to stop illegals.

Just a few well placed machine gun nests

There are two Mexicans who have been lost in the desert for weeks, and they’re at death’s door (which is just outside Guadalajara).

As they stumble on, hoping for salvation in the form of an oasis or something similar, they suddenly spy, through the heat haze, a tree, off in the distance.

As they get closer, they can see that the tree is draped with rasher upon rasher of bacon. There’s smoked bacon, crispy bacon, life-giving juicy nearly- raw bacon, all sorts.

“Hey, Pepe” says the first bloke (Don Pedro). “ees a bacon tree!!! We’re saved!!!”

“You’re right, amigo!” says Pepe.

So Pepe goes on ahead and runs up to the tree salivating at the prospect of food. But as he gets to within five feet of the tree there’s the sound of machine gun fire, and he is shot down in a hail of bullets.

His friend quickly drops down on the sand, and calls across to the dying Pepe. “Pepe!! Pepe!! Que pasa hombre?”

With his dying breath Pepe calls out.... “Ugh, run,amigo, run!! ees not a Bacon Tree”

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.”ees... a....
Ham bush”


8 posted on 10/17/2011 5:04:20 PM PDT by bigheadfred (But alas)
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Securing our border is more than just stopping illegal aliens. It is a matter of national security and public safety. And 40% of the 12 to 20 million illegals who are in this country came here legally and overstayed their visas. A fence or physical barrier is a force multiplier. Illegal alliens cost us $113 billion a year and that doesn't include the impact of drugs and crime.

Shutting off the job magnet is absolutely essential, but there is more involved when you realize that our border with Mexico is the longest one in the world between a Third World country and a developed one. There is enormous pressure for people to get out of a corrupt Third World cesspool and go to the US regardless of the risk and hardship. And we now have enough immigrants in this country, 40 million legal and illegal, that can harbor and support illegals.

The two main threats to our national security posed by immigration relate to terrorism and drugs. First, tens of thousands of persons from countries that support international terrorism have come across our southern border undetected since 9/11.

Testifying before Congress in March 2006, FBI Director Robert Mueller said that his agency busted a smuggling ring organized by the terrorist group Hezbollah that had operatives cross the Mexican border to carry out possible terrorist attacks inside the U.S. “This was an occasion in which Hezbollah operatives were assisting others with some association with Hezbollah in coming to the United States,” Mueller told a House Appropriations subcommittee during a hearing on the FBI's budget. Hezbollah was responsible for the October 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 243 U.S. troops. A total of 20 foreign-born terrorists were involved in 9/11, 19 of whom took part in the attack that resulted in nearly 3,000 deaths. The terrorists had entered the country on tourist or student visas. Four of them, however, had overstayed their visas and become illegal aliens and the others should not have been granted visas for various immigration control reasons.

Second, Michael Hayden, the outgoing head of the CIA stated in January 2009 that the threat of a narco state in Mexico is one of the gravest dangers to American security, on a par with a nuclear-armed Iran. An assessment by the United States Joint Forces Command, published in February 2009, concluded that the two countries most at risk of becoming failed states were Pakistan and Mexico.

The descent of Mexico into a failed narco state, marked by increased violence and brutality, which has already spilled over into the U.S., has enormous implications for immigration, legal and illegal. With over 11 million Mexican-born residents in the U.S. plus their U.S.-born relatives, there are strong familial ties to Mexico, which would attract Mexicans fleeing a disintegrating state seeking asylum and safety in the U.S. And the pressure on our porous, unsecured southern border would increase dramatically. Currently, the Border Patrol apprehends more than half a million people annually trying to enter the U.S. illegally from Mexico and hundreds of thousands more illegal aliens are successful in gaining entry. There is no way the U.S. could stop a tidal wave of Mexicans seeking asylum in this country and it would be even more difficult to remove them.

There has been a confluence of interests between drugs, illegal immigration, and terrorism. The systems for moving terrorists illegally across the border have become increasingly sophisticated, with Mexican drug kingpins now playing a major facilitating role using the same routes and methods to bring in illegal aliens and drugs. In view of the carnage that the 19 terrorists created on 9/11, the virtual certainty that our government has allowed substantial numbers of terrorists and their supporters to enter our country illegally is an outrage.

9 posted on 10/17/2011 5:04:34 PM PDT by kabar
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I have a much better idea. Imprison politicians who pander to illegals. That would put J.R. Perry, McCain, Grahamnesty, Obama, Biden, and Pelosi behind bars where they belong.


10 posted on 10/17/2011 5:04:44 PM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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That may have been true 15 years ago. But that Mexico no longer exist. We killed off all the Drug Lords in Central America so Mexicans took over. Now, they are killing Mexicans by the thousands. We can count 40,000 last year, we have no idea how many are in un-marked mass graves. 111 Americans have died so far this year either in Mexico or in Arizona and Texas. Would you willingly go back?

There is an ignored civil war on our front porch, that is the first issue we have to accept and then deal with it. Step one would be to see if we can get our Dear Leader to STOP ARMING THE ENEMY! Step two is to kill the Narco-Terrorist and corrupt Mexican Military Units that invade our country daily. Step three is to arm our border with the National Guard with orders to return fire and seek out and destroy anyone threatening the Sovereignty of US Territory, fence strategic areas and use UAVS along with an enormous increase in Border Patrol Agents to actual guard the fences and respond to electronic barriers.

Step four is dealing with those already here. Anyone who says anything differently has a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening on our Southern Border.

Restore order to Mexico, give them incentives to leave and then secure the damn border so they cant get back in.

13 posted on 10/17/2011 5:10:52 PM PDT by txroadkill (Antlers up! The Claw must be feared! Back2Back American League Champions!)
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Billion?

I remember hearing that 10-20 million would go a long way.


17 posted on 10/17/2011 5:15:52 PM PDT by ROTB (Christian sin breeds enemies for the USA. If you're a Christian, stop sinning, and spread the Word..)
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Build the fence. We have been saying this for years!!!! Suddenly a liberal governor from Texas says “no: and that is acceptable. No way! Perry is wrong with his love of illegal aliens and we as conservatives should be fighting him all the way!!!!!


18 posted on 10/17/2011 5:15:52 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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It's currently illegal to knowingly hire illegal aliens. As you stated, it would be easy to make the employers stop hiring employees they know are here illegally. Simply fine them. For a first offense, let's say $1000 per illegal employee if they didn't use the federal verification system. At the second offense, that fine would grow to $10,000 per illegal employee if they used the federal verification system. The third offense would bring a $100,000 fine per illegal employee whether they used the verification system or not.

The jails are overcrowded. One reason for knowingly hiring illegal aliens is for what is effectively "slave labor." Hit them where it would hurt the most.

Mark

20 posted on 10/17/2011 5:17:56 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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Shut down the gravy train and the need for a fence is diminished.


24 posted on 10/17/2011 5:22:04 PM PDT by windsorknot
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A billion dollar fence would be a bargain.

We are spending an estimated $4.5 billion a year just in paying fraudulent refundable tax credits to illegals submitting federal tax returns.


30 posted on 10/17/2011 5:40:09 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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The actual quick answer is to permanently disqualify the ability of the owners and managers from ever deducting employees salaries/wages from their fed or local taxes. thus if a state allows it the net reduction must be added back to the fed bill. By holding all officers managers forever liable they can’t shut down and open a new entity and there is a hue incentive to rat out the business.

Lastly it should be a federal law that anyone using someone else’s id for purchase or employment forfeits all of their assets to the other party. (just assets not debts)


34 posted on 10/17/2011 5:52:27 PM PDT by waynesa98
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Back in the early ‘50s Eisenhower managed to deport 1.3 illegals. So we either have a bunch of politicians who are too stupid to figure it out now ooorrrrrr we have a bunch of politicians who don’t want them gone.


43 posted on 10/17/2011 6:17:32 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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I agree...placing landmines on the border is cost-effective.


47 posted on 10/17/2011 6:44:36 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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My Idea of Comprehensive Immigration Reform:

1. Illegal aliens are to be detained upon detection and deported within twenty-four hours.

2. Any citizen knowingly employing, sheltering, concealing, or otherwise assisting (other than emergency medical care) an illegal alien shall suffer forfeiture of all property, real and personal, all assets, businesses, business licenses, and any other thing except his/her physical freedom and two changes of clothing; after which he/she may seek employment and start over.

3. Any non-citizen legally resident, acting as described in para 2 above, shall suffer the same penalty and be deported to his/her country of origin within 48 hours.

4. Any public official, in any branch of government, at any level, who under color of clemency, legal discretion, or other official privilege, shall obstruct, alter, or modify the swift application and extent of paras 1-3 above to any degree soever, shall suffer the same penalty and be summarily removed from office.

(That’s to keep judges from saying “ooooo, that’s too harsh” and governors etc. from handing out pardons to business-owner buddies.)

48 posted on 10/17/2011 6:55:07 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I have been called intolerant. It's true. I refuse to tolerate the intolerable.)
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Cut off the welfare, the free healthcare, free schools and stuff.

That will do more than anything to deter illegal immigration


51 posted on 10/17/2011 7:35:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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I agree. No more free stuff, too.

If you are not here legally, you should not be able to even buy or rent a place to live. Invading our country should be a hell of a choice to make for yourself and your family.

But we need troops on our border to deal with the cartels.


54 posted on 10/17/2011 9:45:06 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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