Posted on 10/17/2011 4:48:39 PM PDT by apoliticalone
The perpetual whining about how to stop illegal immigration, or how to treat them once they are here, drives me "nuts". As a long time member of Numbers USA my feeling is that there is only one answer.
Alleged white / blue collar and employer criminals of illegals understand and fully subscribe to the theory of risk reward, and that deterrence stops crime much more with them than typical 2 digit IQ low life hard core criminal scum.
They understand fully that more profits and labor savings may not be worth big time punishment.
Instead of we taxpayers forced to build billion dollar fences, just take the heads off the next five employers of illegals. It shouldn't make any difference what their politics or company size is. When word gets around with other employers about the hard core punishment for hiring illegals, there will never be another illegal immigrant hired in the USA. Guaranteed. Business people will do anything if it increases profits but will do nothing if it puts their lives at risk.
No more jobs, no more handouts equals the illegals will leave and go home. That is the only solution. I'm tired of the politicians on both sides dancing around the edges on this issue.
I don’t think it is right to fine an employer who *in good faith* uses the only legal resource for determining if a prospective employee is legal or not. If the verification system shows a prospective employee is legal - the employer can’t be held liable because the government failed in its role of verifying.
BUT - If the employer did not use or ignored the results of the verification system, I believe the progressive fines, with a fourth step of criminal charges and jail, is entirely appropriate.
Have you seen the current occupant of the white house lately?
Back in the early ‘50s Eisenhower managed to deport 1.3 illegals. So we either have a bunch of politicians who are too stupid to figure it out now ooorrrrrr we have a bunch of politicians who don’t want them gone.
It’s all a matter of “Will”. We have it, they do not. Therefore we must make our “Will” overcome their resistance. I just pray we can vote in enough people of “will” before the SHTF.
Me too, my friend. Me too!
I agree...placing landmines on the border is cost-effective.
1. Illegal aliens are to be detained upon detection and deported within twenty-four hours.
2. Any citizen knowingly employing, sheltering, concealing, or otherwise assisting (other than emergency medical care) an illegal alien shall suffer forfeiture of all property, real and personal, all assets, businesses, business licenses, and any other thing except his/her physical freedom and two changes of clothing; after which he/she may seek employment and start over.
3. Any non-citizen legally resident, acting as described in para 2 above, shall suffer the same penalty and be deported to his/her country of origin within 48 hours.
4. Any public official, in any branch of government, at any level, who under color of clemency, legal discretion, or other official privilege, shall obstruct, alter, or modify the swift application and extent of paras 1-3 above to any degree soever, shall suffer the same penalty and be summarily removed from office.
(That’s to keep judges from saying “ooooo, that’s too harsh” and governors etc. from handing out pardons to business-owner buddies.)
You just violated the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition against excessive fines.
The actual quick answer is to permanently disqualify the ability of the owners and managers from ever deducting employees salaries/wages from their fed or local taxes. thus if a state allows it the net reduction must be added back to the fed bill. By holding all officers managers forever liable they can’t shut down and open a new entity and there is a hue incentive to rat out the business.
I totally agree. It’s about $$$$$. I’m in favor of holding those accountable who hire illegals by making them prove that their employees are here legally. One little change in the law changes everything as it should. The burden of proof should lie with employers.
Cut off the welfare, the free healthcare, free schools and stuff.
That will do more than anything to deter illegal immigration
What is the appropriate level of economic punishment for the enabler(s) of a hostile invasion?
Loose rhetoric doesn’t help your argument; there is hardly a “hostile invasion” going on. What you think is excessive is irrelevant; what the Supreme Court thinks is excessive is very relevant, and something like your “plan” - complete forfeiture of all property rights - is excessive, period.
I agree. No more free stuff, too.
If you are not here legally, you should not be able to even buy or rent a place to live. Invading our country should be a hell of a choice to make for yourself and your family.
But we need troops on our border to deal with the cartels.
I like that idea. We need our politicans and all of the elite to get acquainted with the crime of treason.
Once upon a time, the Supreme Court thought Dred Scott was private property.
More recently, that property could be confiscated from one citizen and gifted to another to enhance tax revenues.
This does not inspire great confidence in the relevance of Supreme Court opinions.
Period.
Penned in? As I wrote, this is not just a matter of illegal immigration but of national security and public safety. You are living in a fantasy world.
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