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When things go wrong keep it quiet? What the hell were these people thinking?
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| OCTOBER 15TH, 2011
| Jim Emerson, staff writer
Posted on 10/15/2011 9:36:58 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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Didn't we just suffer the loss of two war figherts KIA because of this virus? Why did these people think they should/could fix this by themselves? The incompentance makes you want to scream.
To: jmaroneps37
Looks like the virus got onto the system through USB drives. Its attempts to notify an external system will be in vain, however it is a lousy security design to assume that no external media will ever be introduced to the system. That’s how viruses worked in the early days, although through diskettes rather than our modern USB drives.
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posted on
10/15/2011 9:43:06 AM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
To: jmaroneps37
Military weapons systems should not be using Windoze.
Period.
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posted on
10/15/2011 9:44:10 AM PDT
by
E. Pluribus Unum
("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
To: jmaroneps37
Didn't we just suffer the loss of two war figherts KIA because of this virus? I haven't heard about this. More info please.
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posted on
10/15/2011 9:47:30 AM PDT
by
Doe Eyes
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Computer systems that should NEVER, EVER, be Microsoft Windows bases:
DoD
Homeland Security
Department of Energy
National Power Grid
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posted on
10/15/2011 9:50:40 AM PDT
by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right..........)
To: E. Pluribus Unum
Computer systems that should NEVER, EVER, be Microsoft Windows bases:
DoD
Homeland Security
Department of Energy
National Power Grid
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posted on
10/15/2011 9:50:58 AM PDT
by
Bryan24
(When in doubt, move to the right..........)
To: Bryan24
Computer systems that should NEVER, EVER, be MicrosoftWindows bases:DoDHomeland SecurityDepartment of EnergyNational Power Grid...or anything else!
Cheers!
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posted on
10/15/2011 10:07:35 AM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: Doe Eyes
That statement is not correct. The blue on blue incident was due to human error, not this virus.
The command in question had been treating the symptom (removing the virus) without finding the cause (a specific infected drive used to bring data from another base.)
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posted on
10/15/2011 10:08:29 AM PDT
by
USNBandit
(sarcasm engaged at all times)
To: jmaroneps37
So we gave in to Bradley Manning’s agenda, but we learned nothing from his crimes. Great job, bureaucrats.
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posted on
10/15/2011 10:21:52 AM PDT
by
wideawake
To: USNBandit
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posted on
10/15/2011 10:24:29 AM PDT
by
jmaroneps37
(Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
To: Bryan24
Windows XP is extremely prevalent in command and control computers, from the Aegis systems to even the rides at Disneyland. Tens of millions of systems which perform critical real time command and control where people are at risk at any moment, and all at risk of being infiltrated by a virus.
Disneyland provides the model for the military in this - each command system has physically taped to the computer a set of restoration discs to return the system to certified state in case of malfunction or infection. If there is a concern, the system is restored from those discs, and if there is a hardware failure, those discs can restore the image to another computer for immediate repairs.
The certification of classified machines is the problem here. A computer restored from backups must be re-certified before it can hold classified information again. Whereas an image of that machine at time of certification, as well as restoration of secure documents from the server, means that downtime in the event of an intrusion such as a virus can be mere hours rather than weeks.
And it would take very little to secure these machines against USB intrusions. A change in government procurement to require machines certified for government service to include a small cut out in the USB connectors so that a physical lock can be installed on all USB connections that are unused, and a further requisition for keyboards and mice that physically lock into place would nail down a lot of these problems. File transfers to USB dongles could be accomplished through a read only host server and prevent these USB devices from ever mounting as system discs.
Any time a system puts barriers in to prevent local and swift correction of problems, they open the door for a breakdown in the secure system itself. A buck's worth of backup DVDs could have restored these systems, and cheap locks on usb ports could have prevented the intrusion in the first place.
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posted on
10/15/2011 10:30:28 AM PDT
by
kingu
(Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
To: jmaroneps37
Weld up the USB ports, cut off the antennas and make the network closed.
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posted on
10/15/2011 10:33:19 AM PDT
by
Paladin2
To: kingu
Swappable HDs would make the restore only a matter of a few minutes.
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posted on
10/15/2011 10:36:12 AM PDT
by
Paladin2
To: jmaroneps37
The key logger in question was evidently a virus targeting online poker play. It was looking for usernames and passwords. Unfortunately, some user must have plugged that portable drive into a computer it wasn't supposed to get plugged into.
DOD has been hit numerous times during this war due to the activities of its users. This is a an example of a user using a storage device for classified and unclassified data, a huge no no.
One solution would be mobile storage that will only work between client computers and won't connect on those without client software. Another would be a drive that logs the MAC addresses it is plugged into, but that would require auditing.
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posted on
10/15/2011 11:02:13 AM PDT
by
USNBandit
(sarcasm engaged at all times)
To: jmaroneps37
Didn't we just suffer the loss of two war fighters KIA because of this virus?
When? Do you have details?
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posted on
10/15/2011 11:14:21 AM PDT
by
TankerKC
(One of the lessons of 9-11 was that evil is real...and so is courage. -George W. Bush 9-11-11)
To: jmaroneps37
Didn't we just suffer the loss of two war figherts KIA because of this virus? A Marine and a Navy medic killed by a U.S. drone airstrike were targeted when Marine commanders in Afghanistan mistook them for Taliban fighters, even though analysts watching the Predator's video feed were uncertain whether the men were part of an enemy force.
You're a damned liar.
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posted on
10/15/2011 11:17:09 AM PDT
by
TankerKC
(One of the lessons of 9-11 was that evil is real...and so is courage. -George W. Bush 9-11-11)
To: Paladin2
Weld up the USB ports, cut off the antennas and make the network closed. I'll bet it came in via sneaker-net.
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posted on
10/15/2011 11:27:23 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
To: jmaroneps37
I don’t get how a classified computer can be connected to the outside world. It wasn’t allowed when I was working in a SCIF in the Air Force (1993-95 timeframe).
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posted on
10/15/2011 11:28:23 AM PDT
by
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