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To: orthodoxyordeath
...but one of the opinions of one my bloggers....

These are nice opinions, but where are the facts?

Cain seems to be the popular kid at school today. Everybody loves him, but nobody seems to know who he is or why they like him.

2 posted on 10/09/2011 10:30:13 AM PDT by beancounter13
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To: beancounter13

no offense, but many people disagree with you.

herman cain has a demonstrated record of achievement

due to his intelligence, hard work, belief in free markets, and God.


3 posted on 10/09/2011 10:33:51 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: beancounter13
No that would be the Perry supporters. They all love Perry, yet not one of them has any idea of what his agenda would be.

Cain has laid out a solidly Conservative Presidential agenda. Perry meanwhile tells us "I'm a great guy from Texas, vote for me". Conservative Cain has laid out his plans for everyone to see. Where are Perry's plans?

4 posted on 10/09/2011 10:36:11 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: beancounter13
Since you seem to have skipped over the facts the author stated, here they are for you again.

Cain's extensive experience as a businessman would be crucial to reviving the American economy. As a man who has worked as CEO of “Godfather’s Pizza” and been Vice President of capitalist colossals such as “Pillsbury” and “Burger King”, this man knows how to run a business or two. Now, I know what Romney supporters would be rebutting with; Romney is a businessman too! That is true, but Romney hasn’t come close to working with companies Americans are familiar with, or anything truly capitalistic. With the Obama administration’s lack of business experience within high-ranking positions, this fact will prove to be incredibly imperative in the next election. Herman Cain is easily relatable to the average American, not only because of his extensive business resume, but also because he has never held a public office. He also claims that he has no national name ID or “kajillion dollars” like every other candidate has. This works incredibly well in the favor of Cain, as most Americans are sick and tired of politicians receiving the nomination, winning, and turning everything into one big giant mess. As we have clearly seen in the past three years, holding a public office gives you little to no true experience in running a country. Now, here is where Conservatives would shriek in delight and the average American independent would be turned away in disgust. Cain is a remarkably strong Conservative in his stance on social issues. Cain is an avid decrier of the repeal of the Don’t Ask, Don’t tell law and of gay marriage as a whole. Since the favorability of gay marriage has skyrocketed in the past few years, this would prove to be an obstacle to any Conservative candidate. We’d also have to include Cain’s stance on abortion, as he is completely against it, even in rape circumstances. These opinions on social issues are great within the Conservative fan base, but would hurt Cain at the national level. While these opinions prove to be a challenge, Cain explained during his interview on “The View” that he would stay true to the constitution in his role as president and would rule with his social issues put aside. I hope for the best in this section of his campaign.

5 posted on 10/09/2011 10:37:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: beancounter13

Cain seems to be the popular kid at school today. Everybody loves him, but nobody seems to know who he is or why they like him.


That would be wrong. I’ve followed Herman Cain for years.

The guy has done radio for years so I know where the man stands. He’s done a lot on Christain radio programs too.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 10:38:28 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: beancounter13

We (I) have a lot clearer picture of who Cain is than anyone did about the current POTUS. It’s obvious that the current administration having almost exclusively government experience hasn’t done anything to help the economy so I think we should reset the table. Let’s put in people with knowledge of private industry and free enterprise. How could it be any worse?


8 posted on 10/09/2011 10:43:23 AM PDT by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: beancounter13
Everybody loves him, but nobody seems to know who he is or why they like him.

He's a proven leader and CEO. That's the requirement of a President.

I like him because he's an achiever who has fought the good fight in the arena of politics for years upon years.

Check out this video of him taking apart Bill Clinton during the Hillarycare debate. He was instrumental in bringing it down.

Herman Cain takes apart Clinton in the Hillarycare debate.

10 posted on 10/09/2011 10:47:53 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: beancounter13

Ah yes the good old Romney guilt by association smear.

Rudy Giuliani and Rick Perry are way more then one time buddies. So please explain to me why I should be worried about Cain’s monetary support in 2008 for Romney and not be concerned about Perry’s close relationship with uber GOP Liberal Rudy Gullianni?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/274042/perry-and-giuliani-katrina-trinko

Rick Perry is a Texan who boasts about how he shot a coyote during a morning jog. Rudy Giuliani is a New Yorker who has appeared before crowds in full drag as “Rudia.”

When it comes to political “romances,” Perry and Giuliani rank high on the list of odd couples. Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential run came as shock to many in the GOP, who wondered why such a robust social conservative was the first (and ultimately, only) Republican governor to endorse a candidate who is openly pro-abortion and favors gay rights. But that endorsement was no one-time incident, nor a flash in the pan. For over a decade, Perry and Giuliani have supported one another through a series of races, with endorsements, public statements, and fundraising assistance. Different they may be, but they are nothing if not committed

s far back as 1999, Perry served as the honorary Texas chairman of Giuliani’s New York senatorial campaign. (The Texans for Giuliani invitation to a $1,000 per plate luncheon that Perry hosted employed this message: “We Texans need to ask ourselves how helpful do we think Hillary Rodham Clinton would be to the Republican presidential hopeful George W. Bush if he were to become president?”) In both 2002 and 2006, Giuliani returned the favor, endorsing Perry’s gubernatorial runs. In the 2006 race — a difficult one for Perry, who would ultimately eke out a win with 39 percent of the vote, just enough to catapult him over the other candidates in the four-person race — Giuliani’s endorsement was well-utilized and undoubtedly useful. In addition to a radio spot featuring America’s mayor, the Perry campaign sent out a fundraising letter touting Giuliani’s endorsement of Perry as a “strong and determined leader.”

In 2005, Giuliani joined Texas law firm Bracewell & Patterson (re-named Bracewell & Giuliani), strengthening his ties to the Lone Star State — and to affluent Texas Republicans ripe for fundraising appeals. Two years later, he sought out Perry’s endorsement for his 2008 presidential run. He got it.

A Perry aide paraphrased how Perry explained his support for Giuliani this way: “We don’t agree on social issues, but Mayor Giuliani provided leadership during a time of crisis for the country.” To Perry, Giuliani was a figure who had stellar national-security credentials, a key issue for him.

After citing the importance of the War on Terror, Perry publicly explained his Giuliani endorsement by pointing to the former mayor of New York’s track record: “What I look for is results, and Rudy Giuliani is the individual who will give us the results that will make America safer, that will move our economy forward, that will put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court, that covers a host of issues that are important to me and I think a lot of my colleagues and Americans as well,” he enthusiastically told Fox News host Brian Kilmeade in fall, 2007.

In that interview, Perry brushed off the ideological differences between the two men. He noted that he and Giuliani had discussed some of the issues that divided them, and spent an “inordinate amount of time together over the course of the last six weeks talking about issues both on the phone and face to face.” Those discussion satisfied Perry. According to the Dallas Morning News, Perry told reporters that Giuliani had “assured [Perry] that in nominating Supreme Court justices and on other important issues, a Giuliani administration would serve the conservative cause.”

Perry’s pre-emptive attempt to acknowledge that — and explain why — he had endorsed a candidate whose views on social issues differed so markedly from his own did not soften the surprise. In the aftermath of the announcement, much of the media coverage centered on speculation that Perry was aiming at the second slot on the ticket. Perry shot that down forcefully, saying bluntly he wouldn’t consider the vice presidency, but rumors abounded nonetheless. The Dallas Morning News reported that the Perry political camp saw little choice other than Giuliani since “Mr. Thompson’s campaign has sputtered and Sen. John McCain of Arizona is a long-shot.” (The relationship between Romney and Perry, if not outright hostile, had been at least complicated since an incident at the 2002 Olympics where the Boy Scouts were not allowed to participate, something for which Perry criticized Romney.) But the disbelief persisted: In comparison to Perry, “Giuliani comes across like Michael Moore,” wrote Austin American-Statesman columnist John Kelso, comparing the duo to “Dick Cheney touring with the Dixie Chicks.”

Despite the controversy, Perry did not downplay his endorsement but instead became a more vocal supporter of Giuliani. He campaigned for him in South Carolina, and that fall went on a four-day sweep through Iowa. Talking to voters at a roundtable in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Perry made his pitch for Giuliani by striking a pragmatic tone: “ You can have your purist candidate,” he argued. But “if they can’t win, you just wasted your time.” The voters were not convinced. A Dallas Morning News headline summed up Perry’s success in Iowa: “Perry Wins over Voters — But Not for Giuliani. Iowans Like Messenger More than His Message.”

In December, Perry added to the tension with a slip of the tongue. Defending Giuliani’s pro-abortion stance by citing his promise to support strict constructionist judges, the Houston Chronicle reported Perry saying, “Then the issue becomes very, very clear to me from the standpoint of who I want to support, and it is Mike Huckabee.” When questioned about what he had just said, Perry immediately called the Huckabee mention an “error.” But it lead to another round of publicity: The Austin American-Statesman headline said Perry had “defended” his Huckabee mention as “un-Freudian,” planting an idea in voters’ minds unlikely to cheer the Giuliani campaign.

As Giuliani’s campaign fell into disarray, Perry kept fighting, doing a five-stop sweep in January through Florida introducing Giuliani at rallies. But it wasn’t enough, and, when the Guiliani campaign impoloded at the height of the 2008 primary season, Perry found himself without a candidate. In February, he endorsed McCain, employing unsentimental language: “He and I may not agree on every issue,” Perry said when announcing the new endorsement, according to the Dallas Morning News.

Guiliani’s presidential ambitions may have evaporated in the Florida sunshine, but his friendship with Rick Perry continues to this day. In the 2010 gubernatorial primary, Giuliani backed Perry over the more socially moderate Kay Bailey Hutchinson, even going so far as to go to Texas to campaign for his friend. And the two don’t limit their conversation exclusively to politics: Perry told a Dallas audience last year that Giuliani had offered to bet him a pair of Texas cowboy boots that the New York Yankees would beat the Texas Rangers in the upcoming round of playoffs leading up to the World Series. (Perry must have received his boots: The Rangers won the series, 4–2.)

Now, with the 2012 primary drawing near, and both men considered possible candidates, their comity remains. “Rick has got a great record, probably one of the strongest records of any governor in America, and one of the longest running governorships. Rick is a good friend,” Giuliani told CNN this July. Dave Carney, a top political adviser to Perry, told the Washington Post that same month that “Rudy would be an awesome asset to any campaign. Of course candidates matter to voters, but folks of the mayor’s stature bring lot of value added to any effort.”

And so the bromance continues.


26 posted on 10/09/2011 11:30:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: beancounter13
"Everybody loves him, but nobody seems to know who he is or why they like him."

I'm really growing weary of this belief/opinion/statement on almost every Cain thread (not all of them made by you, of course).

The blogger lays out very well why she likes him.

As for me, I've been aware of Cain since the 90's and I know who he is and why I like him.

Why is it that so many people assume Cain supporters are totally ignorant about him?

27 posted on 10/09/2011 11:31:38 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: beancounter13
I'm sorry but when you cling to an ignorant opinion in the face of facts, it is impossible to take you seriously.

NO One can pry open your welded shut mind for you. YOU have to do that.

Attempting to lie and distort Cain's record does not help your candidate. It merely makes you look ignorant and childish.

38 posted on 10/09/2011 11:53:41 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: beancounter13
Well I find it interesting that a supposed social conservative like yourself is so willing to violate the 9th Commandment about bearing false witness.

Your claims are lies. Here are the facts about Cain with sources. Notice this is on the record sources, not your made up lies.

I support right-to-life issues unequivocally and I adamantly support the first three aspects of the Susan B. Anthony pledge involving appointing pro-life judges, choosing pro-life cabinet members, and ending taxpayer-funded abortions.

However, the fourth requirement demands that I ‘advance’ the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act. As president, I would sign it, but Congress must advance the legislation.

I have been a consistent and unwavering champion of pro life issues.

In no way does this singular instance of clarification denote an abandonment of the pro-life movement, but instead, is a testament to my respect for the balance of power and the role of the presidency.”

_________________

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life
http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/

National Right to Life Conference Speech
http://hermancainissues.com/speeches/right-to-life-conference-speech-62411/

Herman Cain on Abortion
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Herman_Cain_Abortion.htm

2004 - Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade (Free Republic - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1063707/posts

And Alveda King affirmed on Facebook that she knew and worked with Cain on Pro-life issues over the years and testifies that he is Prolife

Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/18/herman-cain-defund-racist-planned-parenthood-abortion-biz/

40 posted on 10/09/2011 11:58:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: beancounter13
The 9th Commandment is not a suggestion.

If you don't like you hypocrisy being pointed out, quit lying about Cain.

52 posted on 10/09/2011 12:14:09 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: beancounter13

Don’t blame everyone else for the just response your sleazy posts earned you.


60 posted on 10/09/2011 12:27:51 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: beancounter13

What you are doing is called a “Whisper campaign” You are making up lies to accuse the other campaing of. Then when you lie is prove a lie, you merely move on to a new lie.

It is the worst sort of gutless political tactics.

As pointed out to you the 9th Commandment is not a suggestion Bearing False Witness is still a sin.


66 posted on 10/09/2011 12:40:30 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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