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Rick Perry Does Not Support a U.S.-Mexico Border Fence
The Rick Perry Report ^ | Oct 6, 2011 | Joe Hyde

Posted on 10/06/2011 1:49:09 AM PDT by bullypulpit

A prime complaint against Rick Perry is that some have attributed to him that he doesn't support the building of a border fence. This is not true. Perry is for a more comprehensive border security system that includes strategic fencing, better surveillance, and "boots on the ground."

If you have ever visited the border regions of Texas, you will agree with me that constructing a fence along the entire 1,200 mile border is not only horribly expensive, but very disruptive to the environment, private property, and the Rio Grande.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; boots; environmentalism; environmentalist; environmentalists; gop; mexico; perry; rickperry; texas
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1 posted on 10/06/2011 1:49:21 AM PDT by bullypulpit
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To: bullypulpit

I say we get rid of all fences surrounding prisons and just put more boots on the ground.


2 posted on 10/06/2011 1:55:04 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: bullypulpit

Horrible piece of writing if the purpose was to defend Perry as a defender of strong borders

the title alone will further kill the candidate among conservatives. It is all they need to read.

Was this intended as a defense (weak) or as a hit piece? (effective)

Defense defense defense = weak weak weak

Rick Perry we hardly knew ye


3 posted on 10/06/2011 1:55:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: bullypulpit

No fence? In 3 years, when the cartels rule Meh-i-co, Texans will be screaming for a fence and a moat with alligators.


4 posted on 10/06/2011 1:58:28 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: exit82
"No fence? In 3 years, when the cartels rule Meh-i-co, Texans will be screaming for a fence and a moat with alligators."

Oh, they'll get boots on the ground. but they'll look like this

5 posted on 10/06/2011 2:03:55 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: exit82

Texans will be screaming for a fence and a moat with alligators.
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Obama.


6 posted on 10/06/2011 2:05:11 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: bullypulpit

building a fence wouldn’t work to keep illegal aliens out, that’s why Rick Perry prefers to give special tuition benefits and paths to citizenship to illegal aliens, because that’s a plan that works. Rick perry gets results. I can hardly wait.


7 posted on 10/06/2011 2:06:19 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: ari-freedom
"I say we get rid of all fences surrounding prisons and just put more boots on the ground."

1200 miles is just the Texas border to Mexico. If you add the other states, that's almost 2000 miles. Prisons are small areas which are easy to fence compared to what's involved with fencing 2000 miles.

Also, fences can be blown up. Here is an example:

"After masked men blew a series of huge holes in the border fence late last night, thousands of Palestinians streamed through the holes and swarmed the streets of the Egyptian border town of Rafah, clearing local shops of whatever they could manage to buy and carry off: milk, powdered detergent and the occasional motorcycle."

8 posted on 10/06/2011 2:08:18 AM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: jonrick46

“1200 miles is just the Texas border to Mexico.”

The law that Bush signed called for only 700 miles total. Perry opposed it.
You say fence can be blown up but if that’s the case then they can just sneak through all those boots on the ground unless you propose having millions of troops all along the border. That’s even harder to pull off than a fence.


9 posted on 10/06/2011 2:21:34 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: silverleaf
Man, you're tough. Thanks for the critique. After the last revision, it is now a Mark Effing Twain masterpiece. Go read it again. (-; Joe
10 posted on 10/06/2011 2:25:32 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Go see The Rick Perry Report at http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: bullypulpit

Perry was asked in New Hampshire by the Granite State GOP why he was opposed to a fence on the Mexican border.

He gave two reasons. Perry said: “The fact is, it’s 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso. Two things: How long you think it would take to build that? And then if you build a 30-foot wall from El Paso to Brownsville, the 35-foot ladder business gets real good.”

1. It would take too long to build! Yes, this was really his answer! Apparently when Rick thinks about how to build a fence, he imagines starting at Brownsville and then slowly working your way to Tijuana! LOL.

2. His second answer: if we build a 30-ft fence, it will just spur sales of 35-ft ladders!

Yep, that’s right, forget the fence, because someone somewhere might try to climb it with a 35-ft ladder. Pregnant women, small children, what have you, are going to be scampering over that 30-ft fence with those 35-ft ladders just like they were stepping over a crack in the sidewalk. ROFL!

If fences are useless, Senor Rico, why not get rid of the fences at Texas jails and prisons? Why not get rid of fences at military installations in Texas?

After all, anyone with a ladder renders these fences worthless, according to Ricky. Never mind that where a modern fencing system has been installed on the border, such as in San Diego County, it has radically reduced crossings.

Oh wait, Senor Ricky would allow a fence to be built in some “strategic” areas of “some” urban areas. (Gotta make sure that fence doesn’t inconvenience his big $$ backers’ ability to get that cheap Mexican labor across the border!)

El Rico’s answer? Boots on the ground! A border with no fence, but boots on the ground! With no fence/patrol road as a force multipler to monitor the border, we would need far more of these “boots on the ground” just to pick up the trash after the illegals are long gone by the time the “boots on the ground” get there! (But that’s just the point, isn’t it, Senor Rick?)

And by the way, El Rico isn’t only opposed to a fence on the Rio Grande, he is opposed to a fence all the way to San Diego! No fence anywhere, except those “strategic” parts of “some” urban areas.

Oh, but the ranchers on the river! Whatever will the ranchers on the river do without being able to water their cattle in the deep, clean waters (okay, not so deep, not so clean) of the Rio Grande?

How heartless of you gringos to put the sovereignty and security interests of 310 million Americans ahead of the cattle ranchers of the Rio Grande!

But my favorite objection by the open borders anti-fence apologists?

The little butterflies!

We should not build the fence because dust from construction could coat leaves of trees on which butterflies feed!

“truck traffic has sent clouds of dust into the air, coating the tree’s leaves, which provide food for the...rare Thorne’s hairstreak butterfly.”

http://borderwallinthenews.blogspot.com/2010/01/border-fence-smugglers-gulch-project.html

Oh, the poor little butterflies! (Those cruel fence-builders!)


11 posted on 10/06/2011 2:28:19 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Cain you hear us NOW?)
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To: RC one
Yeah, I have the answer to the in-state tuition b.s. too. But we're talking fence in this thread. Don't derail it.
12 posted on 10/06/2011 2:28:28 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Go see The Rick Perry Report at http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: ari-freedom

Much like the legalization of abortion or the implementation of Socialism in our Government, why do I get the feeling that the “open borders” crowd are going to eventually get their way regardless of what we want?


13 posted on 10/06/2011 2:29:42 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Meet the New Boss

“Oh, but the ranchers on the river! Whatever will the ranchers on the river do without being able to water their cattle in the deep, clean waters (okay, not so deep, not so clean) of the Rio Grande?”

well if the rio grande could function as a moat then that would be a decent deterrent but it’s not an excuse to use to be against fencing all the other areas.


14 posted on 10/06/2011 2:32:54 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: bullypulpit

Still can’t get past the weak title, which defeats the purpose of presenting Perry as a guy with a tough realistic border security plan

Most people would assume Romneybots wrote that as a hit piece, just based on the title


15 posted on 10/06/2011 2:33:05 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Meet the New Boss— Have you ever lived on the border? Probably not. So... I don’t know how to convince an overly paranoid gated community home owner with ADT Security service about the reality of the border.

Serious statement, even though I am being snarky.


16 posted on 10/06/2011 2:34:44 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Go see The Rick Perry Report at http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: Rational Thought

“why do I get the feeling that the “open borders” crowd are going to eventually get their way regardless of what we want?”

They want the cheap labor (which equals $$$) but more people will just get killed by violent Mexican gangs.


17 posted on 10/06/2011 2:36:48 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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To: silverleaf
Silverleaf-- The title is on purpose. It is a piece of a larger masterpiece. The idea is to have a single repo of information that can be pointed to when fighting the Obamatards (links from Twitter/FB & etc) after Perry gets the nomination and the big fight is on... And to get Google indexing that way for searchers. It starts here. Thanks for your input. You made me work it harder.
18 posted on 10/06/2011 2:38:12 AM PDT by bullypulpit (Go see The Rick Perry Report at http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: ari-freedom

The idea that one can’t build a patrol road and a fence near a river is absurd.

There are hundreds of counties in the United States with difficult hilly and riverine terrain that have managed to build a road near a riverbank (and if you can build a road, you can build a fence next to the road).

Obviously, there could be breaks periodically for access to the river, which would at least serve as choke points to monitor what was going on at the border.

It’s one excuse after the other, because the businesses that use cheap Mexican labor to compete unfairly and shift their full costs onto others (not to mention the $15 billion drug cartels) have lots of $$$ to fill the coffers of anyone willing to mouth these excuses.


19 posted on 10/06/2011 2:39:01 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss (Cain you hear us NOW?)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“The idea that one can’t build a patrol road and a fence near a river is absurd.”

not saying you can’t. Just that Perry seems to be against even the bare minimum and on top of that, tuition breaks and no e-verify
Rich Lowry writes
“Perry can ostentatiously send Texas Rangers to the border and lambaste the federal government’s failures, but none of it matters if it’s relatively easy for illegals to find a job. Another border state, Arizona, implemented the E-Verify system requiring employers to check the immigration status of prospective employees. It led to a dramatic reduction in the population of illegals, many of whom have, no doubt, decamped to Texas. So long as he doesn’t implement E-Verify, Perry is shooting holes in the hull of the U.S.S. Enforcement and demanding that the feds bail faster.”


20 posted on 10/06/2011 2:46:32 AM PDT by ari-freedom (We need a Steve Jobs Plan: encourage innovation, not regulation.)
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