Posted on 09/23/2011 6:54:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
THE TRUTH FOUND A VOICE IN RICK PERRY
FoxNews-Google GOP Primary Debate [September 22, 2011] Gov. Rick Perry: [snip] ………If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought there, through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature, when this issue came up -- only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it greatly. [end] Texas Gov. Rick Perry responding to a question by Chris Wallace
Gov. Rick Perry has stated (for years) that the U.S. border with Mexico must be sealed. He has requested assistance (many people on the ground and drones in the air for Intel – he has studied how this is done in Israel). As Governor of Texas, he has been rebuked in person by the current president, who refuses his pleas for the Federal government to do its duty and provide the necessary means by which to seal our country’s international border with Mexico. The governor’s written requests go unheeded.
Texas spends hundreds of millions of dollars of state money to defend its border with Mexico. An elite Texas Ranger unit, put together by Perry, is working to hold the line on our border. Rick Perry has stated that fences do work in urban areas but are not effective, let alone feasible, along the 2000 mile Mexico - U.S. border (1200 miles in Texas alone). The Federal government ignores this problem, while at the same time blaming and punishing border governors when they try to protect their states. People in other states, without understanding the facts, blame border governors when this federally manufactured problem spreads into their states.
President Obama believes security is just fine on the border (better in fact than before he took office) and frankly, he’s following past examples where foreigners are allowed to cross into the U.S., where those with work visas are allowed to slip into U.S. society without any earnest, federal or court action to prevent it, where states are not allowed to ask children their legal status before attending school, where healthcare is accessible to everyone and where federal “social justice” programs have been put into place, thus beginning the progressive process of teaching new generations that it is “normal” to be dependent on government largess. [funded by those “more fortunate” Americans]
Then, periodically, another couple of generations are proclaimed by the federal government to be in the U.S. legally, by magnanimously proclaiming, “You can come out of the dark now and stay.” [sign up here for your Democratic Party voter card]
Rick Perry, as president, wants to finally seal the border and stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs – stop those vile cartels who traffic in human beings and drugs, and secure a dangerous, porous entry used by terrorists seeking to destroy America. The current administration is willfully enabling those who prefer border security remain as it is, those who characteristically (for self interest) want to avoid addressing and dealing with these problems.
Undeniably, Governor Perry is the GOP candidate most familiar with this issue and the problems associated with it. Texas has a long and rich history with Mexico. Mexico is the number one trading partner with America. Many U.S. citizens have Mexican ancestors who are proud Texans and Americans, many who have, are, and are willing to fight for America. Hispanics are the largest minority living in the United States. They have a high birth rate and are a major minority voting demographic. This didn’t happen because Texas shares over 1200 miles of international border with Mexico. The current magnitude of the problem, along with the number of the illegals in Texas and the United States, has everything to do with historic and current Federal inaction.
The Federal government looks to the states and tells them to “deal with it.” So state governments and their citizens have to “deal with” crime and a fast growing, uneducated population that puts a huge strain on state and federal resources. The resulting fall out for state government is, “you’re damned if you do and "you’re damned if you don’t." Gov. Perry and the Texas Legislature have accepted the criticism for taking the “damned if we do” path because they’re “dealing with it” first hand and Texans understand that "we're damned if we don't." These children are here, their potential and future has been put on our watch -- it is a practical and human decision and as Rick Perry said, “You don’t have a heart if you don’t.”
In 2001 the Texas Legislature voted in an Act (signed by Gov. Rick Perry) allowing children brought to the U.S. illegally (basically stateless people) by their parents, who complete 3 years of high school in Texas (graduate and want to attend college) to apply for U.S. citizenship and pay instate tuition. Their “anchor baby” siblings have this right by virtue of the 14th Amendment (that gave citizenship to children of slaves – slavery was abolished by the 13th Amendment). If the country wants to abolish “anchor babies,” a majority of states need to vote for a change to the U.S. Constitution. The Texas education program is called the Texas Dream Act. The Texas Dream Act is not the same as the rejected Federal Dream Act proposed by the U.S. Senate because that federal legislation in totality and reality was an immigration bill.
The purpose of the Texas Dream Act is to have successful, educated citizens contributing toward a strong economy -- not unemployed or underemployed school dropouts who place a huge drain on our system [and begin generational poverty in their communities]. As past Federal actions have repeatedly shown Texas, illegal immigrants most likely will be allowed to stay. So the smart thing to do is allow them to pay instate tuition and be contributing citizens versus benefits receiving citizens. Gov. Mitt Romney does not agree with this and in fact rejected this approach in Massachusetts.
The truth found a voice in Rick Perry. Gov. Perry has said and believes that Conservative Ascendancy is how we will bring America back from the brink. Besides getting Americans working again we need to show them the value of conservatism and how those values encourage and support strong families and a free country.
Last night former Gov. Mitt Romney sounded like a “Snidley Whiplash-Simon Legree” character, while Gov. Rick Perry was “Dudley do right” looking after “Little Orphan Annie.” How do you think Barack Obama will (or won't) play these sound bites in his re-election bid for 4 more years?
Mitt Romney wants the status quo, which continues to feed the pipeline of generational, programmed victims -- driving trapped and dependent people into the arms of the growing army of the Democratic “fight for social justice” Party. Rick Perry wants to change the status quo and bring more voters into freedom – businesses owners, entrepreneurs eager to join the Republican Conservative Ascendancy Party – no matter what their last name or color, or gender or faith. And the border must be sealed first in order to do this.
Do the math. Rush Limbaugh has. Rush, like Gov. Perry, wants everyone to succeed (not secede). Rush, like Rick Perry, knows we’re at the crossroads that will decided the future path of the United States (and the world). Will it be Perpetual Dependency or Conservative Ascendancy? Democratic Party leaders are herding us into warring camps hoping to take us on the road to socialism. The states must take back power from the Federal government and get this country back on the road to free market capitalism.
This isn’t a Sound Bite issue.
“Nice try” Mitt.
Wow!! You would drastically change your opinon after one bad debate? Is that all it takes to sway you?
Don't answer any phone calls from Mitt Romney - he'll talk you into joining his team in a heartbeat. ;-)
AMEN and would someone PLEASE explain to that nitwit Chris Wallace that getting to make the rules is NOT the same thing as enforcing those rules!
I almost went through the roof here last night over that!
Do you think that states and cities can pass laws making them sancturary states/cities in the cooperation with and enforcement of our immigration laws?
Granted McCain was a disaster. That didn't stop him from getting nominated and immigration wasn't a factor. He won both SC and FL. I get that you're upset. You have to get that you are, in that respect, part of a tiny, electorally insignificant minority.
As long as Perry's only competition is Romney there is no way he is hurt by any attack from the right on any subject. Attacks regarding immigration are particularly impotent. Face it, illegal immigration just isn't what people are focused on right now. Perry's foolish line on immigration is not a political loser. Quite the reverse. For every immigration die hard he alienates he'll attract several Hispanic voters, particularly in several key states.
There's a reason Tom Tancredo sank without a trace when he tried to run for President. The immigration issue just doesn't have the power that many people around here think it has.
Perry wasn’t a big supporter of the AZ law saying it wasn’t right for TX. Does the AG in Texas have a free hand in filing such briefs or must the Governor sign off on it? It works differently depending upon the state.
Of course they could and you can bet the farm that there will be a REAL effort to do exactly that in the next legislative secession!
Although Rick Perry said at a debate on Thursday that he was “lobbied” by a 31-year-old woman suffering from cervical cancer to require young girls to receive the HPV vaccine, he did not meet the cancer patient until after he had already issued his executive order mandating the vaccine.
Pretty low of him. And of anyone to defend such a man.
Another way of reading the federal statute is that if a state provides in-state tuition to an alien not lawfully present, then it must provide in-state tuition to any US citizen or national without regard to in-state residence.
IOW, what is "the same benefit"?
Why has it taken them ten years I wonder?
I think that depends on the state. Some states have many people focused on illegal presence. And to the extent the public gets restive for work, and sees illegals getting work and benefits, the public will come to associate "bad economic times" with "presence of illegals."
I’ve already answered that.
Big money republican donors who indirectly benefit greatly from illegal labor! No other reason.
Texas has spent $230 million in recent years to secure and police the border with Mexico.
Can someone give me a dollar amount that Texas or Governor Perry should spend to convince naysayers that he believes illegal immigration is a serious problem?
No I am from Texas and would never have voted for him or Romney fron the start. He is no conservative. By the way it was 3 bad debates.
Why would this election be any different? Are the big money Republican donor no longer a factor in the election?
I did say that was for those who had entered the US legally and did not know what it would mean for an illegal. Note too that you have to have a moral character and be law abiding. So taking that in mind, wouldn’t there need to be special considerations for illegals?
What I am trying to square is: Congress mandated that the localities educate children of illegals K-12, yet it’s illegal to offer in-state college tuition to those same students.
The costs for the K-12 education would be considerably higher for a kid who went thru 13 years of TX public school (assuming s/he was admitted at K) than the ‘savings’ of in-state college tuition. That factors in the special ESL and other special ed features that a child from an illegal alien background would logically require.
So Congress is mandating the localities pay out @ $150-200K over 13 years, but also mandating that they stop there.
This really is a state issue IMO. VA not only doesn’t offer in-state, but IIRC, prohibits admission to our state schools to “undocumented” students. That’s our choice. If TX wants to offer in-state tuition it seems it’s their choice. Its state legislature voted overwhelmingly for it. TX/AZ/NM/CA have been dealing with this issue a whole lot longer than VA/MN/PA/MA, and undoubtedly see a benefit to that continued educational investment.
If Congress had not mandated the K-12 education (not to mention health care/food/shelter) to begin with, this would not be an issue, but again Congress stepped in with an unfunded mandate.
“I got lobbied on this issue. I got lobbied by a 31 year old young lady who had stage 4 cervical cancer,” said Perry. “I spent a lot of time with her. She came by my office. She talked to me about this program. I readily admitted we should have had an opt-in but I don’t know what part of opt out most parents don’t get and the fact is I erred on the side of life and I will always err on the side of life as a governor as a president of the United States.”
So does this all mean he’s going to race bait the Nation into accepting open borders and invasion? Does this mean that if we object to the expense, rape, robbery and murder of illegals, we are racists? Does this mean my money (taxpayers’ money) belongs to the illegals so we won’t be called racist or heartless?
It is heartless for the American elite to continue to ignore the unfair and deadly burden they place upon the people of America in imposing this unwanted invasion upon us. We are being made to suffer and die for an elitist cause that is basically treasonous and extremely thoughtless and cruel!
Have a heart Perry. American citizens are tired of playing the role of the internationalist elite’s red headed step children.
I am a member of a grassroots immigration group that lobbies on the Hill and in the statehouse. I also work with immigration groups around the country and with Tea Party groups. I traveled to SC and FL four days each following the McCain primary campaign in 2008.
SC has become one of the strongest states on the enforcement of our immigration laws. It is one of the states that has a law specifically prohibiting in-state tuition for illegal aliens along with GA, CO, and AZ. The issue of illegal immigration has become much bigger in the South. States like AL and NC are also getting tougher as is my state VA. We had over 40 bills get thru the House of Delegates only to be stopped by the Dem controlled Senate. We hope to flip the Senate this year.
FL has also become much more focussed on the immigration issue. The Tea Party and other immigration groups in FL are becoming more active and focussed. Perry will not help his standing within the GOP by his stance.
The GOP is deluded if they think they can pander to Hispanics and get their votes. The Dems got 65% of the Hispanic vote in 2008 despite having an amnesty supporter and La Raza award winner in McCain. Immigrants and minorities vote Dem.
Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects
The Republicans’ Hispanic Delusion
There's a reason Tom Tancredo sank without a trace when he tried to run for President. The immigration issue just doesn't have the power that many people around here think it has.
The immigration issue will make the Reps the permanent minority party unless it is gotten under control. Demography is destiny.
87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2039, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.
Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2039, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provide a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.
The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born and one in three will be Hispanic.
You agree with Perry that children of illegal aliens should be given preferential treatment over legal American citizens.
You also agree that people who disagree are heartless?
You are a complete disgrace. I am amazed Jim lets you stay on this CONSERVATIVE forum.
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