Posted on 09/18/2011 1:22:21 PM PDT by SGW
This man [ Mitsuo Fuchida ] who led the first wave of airplane attacks on Pearl Harbor during the Second World War was honored with United States citizenship in 1966. His attack caused the deaths of 2500 Americans the morning of December 7, 1941.
“After World War II ended, Fuchida became an evangelist Christian preacher and frequently travelled to the United States to minister to the Japanese expatriate community. He became a United States citizen in 1966.”
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It is an honor to become a US citizen as I did. The majority of immigrants are very honored that the US would let them do this. That is what I meant.
If you do not view it as an honor America bestows on immigrants than that is where we have another disagreement. It is a very great honor to become a US citizen.
True many do not think it is especially some natural born US citizens or illegal immigrants. I saw the other day that someone on the White House staff viewed being here illegally as no worse that jay walking. This is how low things have sunk.
And, for the record:
“After World War II ended, Fuchida became an evangelist Christian preacher and frequently travelled to the United States to minister to the Japanese expatriate community. He became a United States citizen in 1966.[2]”
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuo_Fuchida
Because of the strain involved, scouts were rotated at short intervals. I do not remember the name of the scout who led the second platoon, but it was he who relieved me. Within three minutes after taking the lead, he was hit by a burst from a machine gun.
The Japanese had dug in on a coral hill and were waiting for us. We took whatever cover we could find, moved into firing positions, and battled throughout the day and into the night. Daylight came and we put feelers out to see if the Japanese were still there. They had moved out and the scouts body was gone.
We moved up the hill into the evacuated Japanese positions. There, we found him. His body had been carved as though he were a mere piece of beef. All the flesh was gone from his legs, arms, buttocks and chest and his heart and kidneys were missing. We had no doubt that they were eating our dead.
http://corregidor.org/Heritage_Battalion/nycum/ch5.html
Hell look the crap Gen MacArthur pulled to help protect Hirohito and family from war crimes charges
You are making the point that I have not yet pointed out.
We simply do not know what Fuchida did for sure in excuting his orders and what atrocities he may have committed. Because of this uncertainty, he should not have been honored with US citizenship. That is all.
This is not about Fuchida though. It is about bestowing the honor of US citizenship on an individual who killed thousdands of people. Regardless of reasons that simply should not happen for anyone.
Mitsuo Fuchida became a Christian after the war and preached the gospel to Japanese Americans.
This a stupid thread to begin with
unless you have definite proff that Fuchida committed war crimes ,I dont care that he obtained US citizenship.
there was a old veterinarian in Connecticut that had been a mechanic in the Luftwaffe and specialized in treating cats,should we haved kicked him out .
The war ended over 67 years ago
Fuchida has been dead since 1976
this is just petty and retarded to get in a knot over a US citizen who once had been a enemy
When did the “US military” begin citing Wikipedia?
Read down the bottom of the link you posted to ww2db.com ...
They cited Wikipedia, Their credibility is now zero. If it isn’t good enough for my kid’s 2nd grade school report it shouldn’t be good enough for you.
That was war. The Japanese government caused those deaths. After the war we tried government ministers and generals and disallowed the excuse that they were only following orders. We never tried individual soldiers except for individual atrocities. The ministers and generals could arguably opt out or were complicit in the making and the crimes of war. The individual soldier is, even low level commanders, are not. Some VC and communists came out of Viet Nam after the war and are American citizens now and we could not have better citizens than the Vietnamese, no matter whose side they fought for before 1973.
>I once met an American citizen who had been a U-boat captain. He was an engineer at a local plant where I grew up.<
My granddad during the 50’s was working for a TV station in the Pac Northwest when he was single and out of high school. When he went to church, he befriended a nice Japanese old dude and he later confessed at a parish get together that he used to be an Imperial guard who was stationed in the Philippines, and he did...”stuff”. That old guy added ‘I wished I didn’t do those horrible things but we had to do what our emperor told us to do.”
WW2db is not the US military. It is however a very good database with many original source materials, like scans of Annex A,B and C from Fuchida’s original 1945 interrogation by the US military indicating that the US military and by inference, the US Gov’t was fully aware of Fuchida’s military career and role in Pearl Harbor when they granted him citizenship, undoubtedly at least partially based upon his evangelical missionary work.
Hence, God is an iron, His ways are not our ways.
“If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron.” ...Spider Robinson
Source please.
The Examiner requires excerpting. Jim Robinson has the communication on it.
I live in Arizona as well, quite close to the border. I do not see anything like the numbers that you mention. Please let me know where you are getting that number from. Is it for Arizona, or for all the United States? For U.S. citizens, or for illegal immigrants, or both?
Dude, don’t you know how to do a search?????http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2011/06/best-shot-1911-ever?cmpid=enews060311
ps - found it again in less than five seconds.
Fuchida was in the military, and led the attack on a military target. Both in Japan and Germany, those who were hauled up on war crimes had committed crimes against civilians. In Japan, as in Germany, it was the Commanders and guards of the concentration camps who were convicted for war crimes, for the most part. Regular soldiers who were fighting against other soldiers were not usually hauled in front of the War Crimes tribunals.
And given your source I'm still not convinced it ever happened.
Here is a NYT article from 2008 that mentions him. I know the NYT is not the most trustworthy source, but I offer it for what it is worth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/23/us/23deshazer.html
Nonsense. He served his country honorably and did his duty. He is not a war criminal. And no, we did not prosecute German soldiers that were honorably doing their duty and serving their country. We prosecuted those that had committed war crimes... A select few.
Most of the German military, likewise most of the Japanese, were merely serving their country in the best way they knew how.
It’s like this: Warfare isn’t personal. I don’t kill the guy in the other trench because I hate him. I kill him because its better him than me, and that’s all. After the war was over I’d love to buy him a beer and talk about old times.
>>> In my opinion this guy was a coward, fake & fraud. We don’t need trash like him dis-honoring our country.
Given the choice I think I’d take Fuchida over you.
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