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George Mason detailed his objections on the blank pages of a copy of the draft of September 12th 1787. He supplied copies in one form or another to several people, and it was finally printed in pamphlet form. Parentheses in the post indicate additions or changes made before printing. It is reprinted here from Rowland’s Life of George Mason, II, 387-390.

Sixty two year old George Mason was a Virginia delegate to the Constitutional Convention. This wealthy planter aristocrat had served in the House of Burgesses, authored the Fairfax Resolves of 1774, greatly influenced the Virginia Constitution of 1776, and was the principal author behind the Virginia Bill of Rights.

His opposition was no small matter; it made Virginia’s ratification of the Constitution a close run thing.

1 posted on 09/16/2011 4:51:00 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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Constitutional Convention Ping!


2 posted on 09/16/2011 4:52:20 AM PDT by Jacquerie (This we much.)
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Fascinating article, thanks for posting.

Happy Constitution Day, guys!


3 posted on 09/16/2011 5:03:32 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Jacquerie

These men had an uncanny ability to see into the future. Without doubt some of the most intelligent men to ever walk this land.


4 posted on 09/16/2011 5:03:38 AM PDT by wastedyears (Of course you realize, this means war.)
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In the House of Representatives there is not the substance but the shadow only of representation; which can never produce proper information in the legislature, or inspire confidence in the people; the laws will therefore be generally made by men little concerned in, and unacquainted with their effects and consequences.

He had excellent foresight on this matter. The Founders should have passed something akin to the Ayn Rand amendment to prevent this.

5 posted on 09/16/2011 5:05:57 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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The Senate have the power of altering all money bills, and of originating appropriations of money...

Wasn't this later changed so that only the House can originate appropriations?

6 posted on 09/16/2011 5:07:08 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Jacquerie
Every four years or so for 22 years I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, freign and domestic. Now I no longer have to profess the Oath; but I think the Oath was really forever and I treat it as so.

Sometimes I wonder if gentlemen such as Mason, Patrick Henry, George Clinton, James Winthrop and all the other Anti-Federalists were correct. It is too bad that Thomas Jefferson was in Paris as the first US Ambassador to France at the time of the writing of the Constitution; his input could have made a great deal of difference.

It is not that the Constitution is flawed per se, it's just that there were so many compromises made, and so little of it dealt with the extraordinary rights of the people, and too much dealt with the rights and balances of power of the different branches of government.

If this was not so, there would not have been a need for the Bill of Rights, that is, the first 10 amendments, which several states insisted upon, and would not join the the Republic until they were added.

Therefore, of course, those amendments became part of the Constitution. And now, 220 years later, we have a federal judiciary that concludes the Commerce clause has more authority than the 10th amendment. Dang it, both are part of the Constitution, and since it was deemed necessary to AMEND the document with items such as the 10th, it should always be given more consideration, not less.

The biggest problem with the Constitution turns out to be just as Mason said—the men who “follow” it. They've made a mess out of it, and have to often got it wrong in giving power to the government rather than to the people and the states.

13 posted on 09/16/2011 6:08:33 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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Thank you for posting this. I often wish that Thomas Jefferson had written letters stating that there was and should be a wall of separation between economics and state as he did with the letter about the “wall” between church and state and that it was given the same weight. I think the laws governing trade and production should be simple enough to fit on a few pages. It is unlawful to steal, to initiate physical force or to defraud. That’s it. Everything else involved with trade should be off limits to the government. If a product or production method harms someone such as with pollution and a real objective harm can be proved handle it in the courts, which are a legitimate function of a proper government. So many of the laws and agencies meant to solve problems are themselves much more damaging to lives and liberty than the original evil they were instituted to fight.


17 posted on 09/16/2011 7:02:55 AM PDT by albionin
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Great stuff from one of my intellectual heroes. The first objection was obviously not his entire thought on the matter of a Bill of Rights, but a reference to it. The irony is that Hamilton's fear that rights specified would be considered by the federal government to be the only ones protected turned out to be valid, but also irrelevant in the face of the fact that the federal government has steadily encroached even upon those rights that are enumerated, notably within the First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments (and don't get me started on the 10th). On the whole I think history has vindicated Mason on the topic. At least specifying those rights on paper gives the public a justification for resisting that steady encroachment, however imperfectly.

The relative uselessness of the office of Vice President has been a feature of the system from the very beginning and a perennial source of humor. Placing that individual as President of the Senate was a threat to the latter body that in the case of persistent deadlock the Executive would make up their collective mind for them, a deliberate risk with a specific end in mind. I'd call it a very interesting bit of systems feedback in today's terms. It was meant to be a rare circumstance and has proven so.

Changing the ratio of House members from one for every 40,000 people to one for every 30,000 only delayed the inevitable certainty that as the country grew one of two things would happen: either the House would grow so large that debate would be impossible or the ratio would grow so large that representation would become far less direct than originally intended. Madison called that one and so did Jefferson. The federal government was always intended to be distilled through the intermediary of state government, a role that had steadily diminished even before the events of the Civil War, was exacerbated by direct election of senators, and now is atrophied, simultaneously with the growth of the inability of the federal government to provide direct representation by itself. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that the federal government has become an unwieldy, unresponsive, bull-headed dictatorial monster in the absence of this means of citizen input. But I don't think that it was ever a role that the federal government could do very well from its very design. There are just too many people in the country to admit it. The most workable alternative, in my view, is to re-empower the state governments because they're the only ones who can, by their size and distribution, be close enough to the citizen to allow for the direct representation that was always the intention of the Founders.

And it may be that the country is now to big to allow that, in which case the principle of a distributed government suggests that the county and city governments may now be the proper repositories of direct representation. The challenge then will be the methods chosen to force both state and federal governments to be responsive to them. It can be done, but not without a deliberate, long-term, concerted effort that will be resisted fanatically by those for whom centralization of power without accountability is desirable. These are not our friends.

23 posted on 09/16/2011 10:27:40 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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