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To: Swordmaker; Admin Moderator

Sorry, that don’t fly.

I haven’t seen anyone on here pimping Microsoft, or Dell, or HP, or whatever, certainly not me.

You sir, are pimping what many claim to be the 2nd most liberal IT company in America, and you are trying to disguise it as conservative for personal gain.

http://ideologicalcartography.com/tag/apple/

You are a snake oil salesman of the worst kind.

You cherry pick articles, you cherry pick facts, and you deliberately mislead folks for personal gain.

You seldom respond to confrontational posts, until the thread is dead, so you don’t get sacked.

It is likely that you are a paid pimp for Apple, you do not engage in this forum, you do not engage in conservative posts, and you are active on nothing but pro-Apple propaganda.

I would be attacking you if you were pimping Microsoft and calling them conservative, but you aren’t, you are pimping Apple day in and day out, on a conservative site.

Greenpeace doesn’t even like Obama, so I guess he’s conservative now? Your straw-man arguments are tiring, but as always, follow the money (your money).

Pimp what you like, but don’t expect folks like me to sit idly by, while you attempt sell your brand of bull excrement. In an Orwellian world, I guess Apple is conservative, but in the real world, they are a homo-supporting, dem supporting, machine. NewsMeat does not take into account bundling, it only takes into account what is given to direct candidates. It does not take into account the progressive doctrine of a company.

And I don’t care if Rush Limbaugh was on their board, it would not even out Jobs and Gore. Gore has done more damage to this country that I could even begin to imagine. You may disagree, but then again, that’s what your most likely paid to do.

As far as your previous thread, where you said I was starting rumors that Jobs was gay, those rumors have persisted for 20 years, and there are several posts of those close to him now who say he has AIDS. Do a Google, or a Bing or whatever you like, but to say that the rumor was started here, means you are sorely out of touch with Apple, OR you are just a shill trying to dismiss what folks are talking about. Yes, yes, he’s married, and there has never been a married man who was on the down low....

Sorry, it’s a homo promoting company, that uses child labor, in china. Apple suppresses anti homo apps, it kills free-market via abuse of the legal system, it has notoriously been involved in payola schemes with school boards going back to the 80s.

Jobs gave over $100k to Rahm Emmanuel, and he continually gives on the local level because it is not reported federally.

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/01/rahm-emanuel-draws-the-curtain.html

Many found it interested that our Chicago Gay Parade was had the Apple “Think Differently” rainbow apple flat displayed. Many also find it interesting that Jobs is buddy buddy with known bath-house homo Rahm Emanuel. Dismiss all you want, but these rumors are NOT starting here on FR, or by me. They’ve been around for a long long time.

As someone who has claimed to be “very close” to Jobs since Apple began (your words, not mine), your ignorance on the subject is alarming.

I don’t apologize, and you will find my resistance to your re-branding Apple as a conservative bastion of American goodness to be quite dutiful until I am banned or censured from this conservative site for disagreeing with your Orwellian propaganda.

If you want a ‘tech only” discussion, then you are on the wrong forum. Go over to PC World or something and spit out what you have to say, and you will get a good dialogue. You might get trashed by real techies though, which is why you like to do it here.

Heck, I could go on this forum and start discussing the laws of thermodynamics and why this brand or that brand of air condensing unit was the best, and how this brand or that brand was the most conservative. I might even be selling that sort of brand, or might profit from its sales (hint hint). But it would be totally unfair of me to lash out at those who disagreed with me. It would also be unfair of me to try and convince non-technical folks to the merits of such brand on Free Republic. If I were to have such a discussion, it would be fairer for me to have that discussion on a technical forum, if I were looking for feedback. But, that’s just it, you are not looking for feedback, you are selling a product. You are an advertiser, looking for free advertising, on a conservative forum, and you expect no resistance from conservative people.

I call that bull hockey. If the moderators or Jim R disagree, they can censure me, or drop me a line to leave you alone.

I am even going to ping a moderator, for your benefit as to my post. Perhaps I am in the wrong, perhaps you have some deal with FR to advertise and pimp Apple day in and day out. I doubt it though.


24 posted on 07/22/2011 5:17:58 AM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: esoxmagnum
"It is likely that you are a paid pimp for Apple, you do not engage in this forum, you do not engage in conservative posts, and you are active on nothing but pro-Apple propaganda."

Swordmaker is free (you might want to look that word up) to post about whatever interests him. In promoting Apple, he's promoting technology that empowers people and frees them from lots of IT drudgery one experiences using Windows and other inferior tech. I'm sure a lot of Freepers appreciate learning something about Apple tech here.

Free Republic is NOT entirely devoted to conservative issues, or discussing things only through a "conservative" lens. It is a COMMUNITY designed to atract conservatives. Many of the topics discussed here are FAR more frivolous and off-topic than the Apple discussions, and the ping list is actually a pretty nice one stop shop for Apple news.

So, quit wasting your time rowing against the tide, and go do something useful.

Personally, I think you're just a disgruntled MSFT stockholder who's gone insane with jealousy over AAPL. ;-)

36 posted on 07/22/2011 10:39:25 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: esoxmagnum
You sir, are pimping what many claim to be the 2nd most liberal IT company in America, and you are trying to disguise it as conservative for personal gain.

As someone who has claimed to be “very close” to Jobs since Apple began (your words, not mine), your ignorance on the subject is alarming.

I have time and time again, told you and others that I have no personal gain by posting or replying on these threads.I am NOT employed by Apple. I do it because I was asked to do it be 540 fellow Freepers who have joined the Mac/Apple/iOS Ping list. YOU characterize me as cherry picking news about Apple. I post negative and positive articles about Apple... I do not cherry pick. I post what is in the headlines. I ping the members of the list to articles posted by others... regardless of the nature of the article... if I am pinged to that article or run across it when I am reading FR. I post to other topics on FR. You may not see them I maintain two other Ping lists not having anything to do with Apple on FR. I respond on here when someone posts MYTHS as facts and post the facts, with links to the facts, to counter the myths, as I did with you. YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE MYTHS. I can't help that... I can only post the facts and the evidence for those facts. You choose to ignore it and stay ignorant.

I do not know Steve Jobs. Nor did I ever claim to. I did not SAY what you said were my words... you put those words in my mouth, just as you choose to believe the myths and propaganda about Apple. You use the tactics of the strawman, the typical tactics of the troll, putting up things that are untrue so that you can shoot them down easily. Did I say that Greenpeace was conservative? No.

You seldom respond to confrontational posts, until the thread is dead, so you don’t get sacked.

LOL. You haven't got a clue. Ask anyone on the Apple threads who does the responding...

As for Steve Jobs being gay, a Google search of "Steve Jobs Gay" comes up with only anti-Apple stuff from people who make anonymous slurs about Steve... real strong evidence of his "Gayness." You are really a class act to repeat such vile rumors from such strong sources.

As to those who are close to him who have posted and say he has AIDS... POST THOSE SOURCES! They don't exist. No reliable source has claimed such a thing. Again, you chose to believe propaganda over truth... and chose to spread it. I call it BS and called you on it.

48 posted on 07/22/2011 1:48:09 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: esoxmagnum; Swordmaker
You sir, are pimping what many claim to be the 2nd most liberal IT company in America, and you are trying to disguise it as conservative for personal gain.

You are a snake oil salesman of the worst kind.

You cherry pick articles, you cherry pick facts, and you deliberately mislead folks for personal gain.

You seldom respond to confrontational posts, until the thread is dead, so you don’t get sacked.

FreeRepublic, in case you haven't noticed, attracts an adult - not "adult" as in adolescent, but adult - audience.
As such it is hardly for any single FReeper - JR always excepted - to presume on this forum that hundreds of other FReepers are so deficient in discernment and that it is easy to transcend their biases and see the truth. Is Swordmaker limited by his own perspective, and unable to see certain things that others do see? I presume so.

We are all of us, sir, limited and enabled by our set of prejudices - without which we would scarcely know enough to go to the bathroom rather than behaving as infants. It's not the things that you don't know that really bite you - it's the things you know that just ain't so.

From my POV, you seem ignorant of some of the things on which you project an air of certainty. Although Swordmaker is enthusiastic about the particular digital technology:human interface developing organization known as Apple, Inc, it is certainly untrue to presume that he never posts hostile articles. That, sir, would be fast way to forfeit the respect of his audience, a.k.a. the Apple ping list. This is a forum, just as Talk Radio is a unique format which attracts people who want to hear full discussion of the issues of the day. The Air America vision of "talk radio" fails because it does not allow for respectfully taking on all respectful comers. It cannot do so, because "liberalism" is a patronizing attitude, and in "the long form" that must shine through. And the audience must inevitably become bored and annoyed at the stilted discussion, with 500 pound gorillas in every corner of the room that no one will discuss.

If Swordmaker were censoring all negative comments so that they were never expressed, the adults known as FReepers would quickly catch on and walk away. But of course anyone reading his threads is all too familiar with the fact that people such as you are - for whatever reasons - offended by enthusiasm for, and success by, Apple Inc. I can relate to concerns about the "liberalism" of Silicon Valley types, for example - but there it is, and it seems to be near enough to universal that we would have to reduce ourselves to the use of ham radio to communicate if we were to boycott all "liberal" technology companies.

But then, we are swimming in a sea of bias, and we wouldn't be conservative if we had no ability to see through that bias. Journalism as we know it claims objectivity - which is actually proof of the fact that journalists aren't even trying to be objective (if they were, they would be telling us up front what their biases are, rather than denying their existence).

One of the biases of journalism is journalism's predilection for hyping bad news. "If it bleeds, it leads" is not an objective rule, simply a rule for optimizing the entertainment value (hence, the profitability) of the newspaper. And any assumption that the public interest is identical to your own business model is obviously a bias.


50 posted on 07/23/2011 5:10:30 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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