Posted on 07/21/2011 3:16:56 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines
Apple, which owned more than 94% of the market in the second quarter last year, saw the iPad’s share slide to 61.3% according to Strategy Analytics. Over the same period of time, Android tablets jumped from a 2.9% share to a 30% share last quarter.
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Android tablets have been reported to have a problem selling all that have shipped. Apple just recently got the iPad manufacturing up to the demand (no more wait time when ordering), they are selling every single iPad they can make. So,
Android: Shipments are not a good indicator of sales
iPad: Shipments pretty much equal sales
Apple sold 9.3 million iPads last quarter. If that is 61% of the market, then the entire market was around 15.2 million tablets.
Let’s say that apple actually sold your suggested 10.8 million of that same market. The iPad then has 70% of the overall market. So rather than slide from 94% to 61%, it slid from 94% to 70%.
That sound about right?
Absolutely true, at least for devices.
By way of contrast, Microsoft Windows held the business and home desktop market at 90% for a very long time, but it was because of their stranglehold on what people these days call the "PC ecosystem". And even that is seeing erosion the past few years, though it's obviously going to stay Microsoft's position to lose for another long time.
By the way, this is apparently now intended as an Apple-bashing and Steve Jobs-bashing gloating thread, by way of silly Android-related tablet sales figures and subsequent irrelevant comments about CEO/company politics. You have been warned about bringing accuracy or balance into play, so please be more careful in the future. :)
Could be... but RIM pulled a lot of the Playbooks off the market... so you'd have to adjust for that as well. And how many of the Android tablets are gathering dust while the iPads are flying off the shelves? I was at a Walmart last night... 1 iPad in stock... piles of android tablets... gathering dust. Yesterday at Costco... piles of Xooms... no one looking at them or picking them up. I asked the guy at the phone kiosk where they were on display... no sales worth speaking of. Customers were asking why Costco didn't sell iPads.
>>> So Apple computers are made by foreign labor. So are Dell’s, HP’s, IBM’s and every other maker’s. <<<
Funny thing. A net scan of my network, shows an Asustek machine. I don’t have an Asustek machine. Turns out it’s the HP desktop.
Yes, and all those links were to FR topics.
Could it be an OEM? Or just the network adapter? Asus does make a lot of components, I believe that’s how they started. Then they started making those cheap netbooks, then small cheap Atom-based desktops, and now they’ve moved up to more expensive boxes with presumably better margins.
Probably a component, like the net card. Still, you’d think HP would at least want to have it’s brand in there. Guess they don’t really care about anything but over priced printer cartridges.
Understood. When you can’t defend your position - point to the other guy
No problem.
My position? And what would my position be?
When I saw that HP was selling Atom-based boxes, I wondered if they’d hired someone already in that market, and about that time, it seemed as if the Asus boxes disappeared. That is a common approach in electronics.
Only if you're trying to equate standard dumb free phones with smart phones. Apple doesn't play in the dumb phone market. In Apple's smart phone market, Apple has just surpassed Nokia WORLDWIDE. That was your point, right? That US numbers don't equal worldwide numbers?
Apparently you didn’t understand it - let me write it again:
You can dominate the world market without touching the US market.
Considering just the US market is simply illogical, especially in light of the US market nearing saturation, and the biggest markets in the world - India, China, and SE Asia - just starting to see any real adoption.
Your original statement was a strawman, and your response here shows you didn’t really care to understand what was originally said - just find a way to cast Apple in a positive light.
And what part of Apple just surpassing Nokia, the #1 phone seller IN THE WORLD did you fail to comprehend? Apple did that against Nokia's sales of all types of phone, smart, dumb, and feature phones, by selling only smartphones. That's IN THE WORLD MARKET. . . with just two phone models.
Uh, it didn’t apply to my point? I guess with you and apparently antiRepublicrat anything that doesn’t portray Apple as God’s gift to man is heretical?
Geez - the point was that a Very Large Company dominated the world’s market for a decade with basically ZERO presence in the US. Trying to take US results and extrapolate to the rest of the world, or to ignore the rest of the world in favor of the US is extremely short-sighted, especially as more and more stores and markets are going international and supporting multiple countries. Market share outside the US is the big chunk, and it’s the chunk with lots of room to grow; the US market is nearing saturation.
But apparently you two are too thick to understand that basic point - or too offended? Is my thread (yes, I started this thread - thanks for coming in, tromping around, and turning it into a troll-fest) to become a pro-Apple thread only?
I just looked at your posting history - it’s 99% pro-Apple - is that your role here at FR? I wanted to discuss technology trends because it’s interesting to me, as a developer; apparently some of you take it as a religion, however.
So how about just backing off and taking a few breaths, read the post again as it was stated and clarified, and calm down. Maybe we can talk technology without you turning it into a religious war...
Good grief! All antirepublicrat, who is by no stretch of the imagination an Apple fanboi, and I did was doubt the veracity of this article based on the facts we have been seeing fromother news sources which we both backed up with links and facts and YOU attack us personally with name calling and insults! “too thick” and “troll fest” implications that we look on it as a “religion” are hardly likey to gain you reasonable responses, Sidelines, especially when they match the tones you’ve used in Apple threads. You don’t own a thread merely because you post it. Nokia has a large presence in the US... and your claim it doesn’t, does not change the facts both of us were presenting. Truth is important. Words have meanings, especially to conservatives. “Shipped” does not equal “sales” and many others have been criticizing this article for the same confabulation and distortion of the facts.
Called out and you didn’t like it, did you?
Nokia’s been in the single digits in the US for 6 ot 7 years, and yet they are still the big boy worldwide. A company can succeed outside the US market because, on the whole, the US is a small part of the entire market.
But you and AR had to try to spin to some pro-Apple point. This thread wasn’t even about the iPhone and Apple, and you just HAD to change that around - you cannot stand it, can you?
And I guess since I don’t “own” this thread, even though I’ve been trying to keep it on topic (no thanks to you or AR), I can come in to any thread you start and post crap all over it, too, with non-sequiturs and irrelevant factoids?
Some folks just don’t like getting caught for what they are, do they?
Now, you claim Nokia has a big presence in the US - put up or shut up. What is their big presence in the US? What market share does Nokia have in the US in cell phones? Go ahead, put it out there... Your own words will show you wrong.
Sorry, but I don’t take kindly to fanbois (and your posting history shows that you are one, straight up) playing fast and loose with facts to try to spin things their own way.
Go away, troll...
The VERY FIRST SENTENCE in the article you posted, the topic sentence, as journalists are taught, is as follows:
Apple, which owned more than 94% of the market in the second quarter last year, saw the iPad’s share slide to 61.3% according to Strategy Analytics.This entire article would be meaningless and pointless without that lead sentence. This IS an article about Apple and the iPads and tablets market share! I never brought anything up about phone market share, I think that was you who said Android would do to Apple in tablets what it is doing to it in phones... Perhaps I'm wrong about who brought it up. But it's part of the discussion.
You are making the trollish ad hominem attacks not us. We have NEVER made it personal... You have. That is the refuge of the man with no facts to back his position. I have never called you a name or insulted you. You cannot say the same. You do it in every post to me and antirepublicrat. They drip with derision!
You claim I'm a "troll" for objecting to your insults... And disagreeing with this article. Absurd!
You seem to be the one here who can't take criticism of your posted article. Face it, the data are flawed., misrepresented and distorted. On one side, Apple's, you have actual sales to consumers... On the other, the article's, we have merely estimated sales into distribution channels—not the same thing at all—but being reported as the same. The exact same game was played in December when the 7" Samsung Galaxy Tab was released in supposedly large numbers into distribution channels and were reported as "sold" and the iPads market share was magically cut to 80%! They weren't sold! They gathered dust... and of those that were sold 16% were eventually returned.
Go troll elsewhere. You’ve shown nothing but your own bias, your own fanboi nature, and your own delusional beliefs. No facts to back up what you wrote.
Just leave... Troll.
WOW! You really can’t take criticism of something that is not even personal, can you? You project upon me a diagnosis of delusions based on a disagreement that others also find in this article and are so stated in the comments that are attached to it on the originating website. If anyone is delusional, it’s you. You repeatedly couch your arguments in ad hominems, a classic fallacy of debate used by those whose positions have no facts.
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