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Universal Basic Income(free money for life coming soon)
Mainestategop ^ | 7/19/11 | Mainestategop

Posted on 07/20/2011 9:55:19 AM PDT by mainestategop

The above title should say it all. It is a currently unheard of social program but one that will become widely known just like Social security and Universal health care. The Universal Basic Income is essentially getting free money for life with no strings attached. ABSOLUTELY NONE! It is already beginning to take hold in New Zealand and is being contemplated (not surprisingly) by that Communist liberal utopia that Democrats want us to emulate, the European Union.

According to websites such as basic income.com and similar websites advocating the implementation of UBI, everyone would receive somewhere between six hundred to a thousand a month simply for doing no work. They even go as far as saying that no strings would be attached to it, that even drug addicts, the severely mentally ill and slackers would get it and could spend it any way they feel. It is designed to replace social security and unemployment insurance.

So let that sink in for a moment. The liberals are already gouging us to pay for welfare handouts to single moms with litters and crack addicts in housing projects who refuse to work. The government despite claiming to require work for some of them turns a blind eye and even helps them get out of work in some cases. We are also being gouged of our savings and the fruits of our labor to pay for free health care for people who are poor, most of whom either are poor by choice or because they made bad decisions.

Now, as if that were bad enough we are now going to pay to have 300 million Americans get free money for the rest of their lives and expect hard working Americans to subsidize it. WE ALREADY PAY FOR FOOD STAMPS WELFARE ETC AND ALL THIS GIANT GOVERNMENT AND NOW THEY EXPECT US TO PAY UP OUR NOSE EVEN MORE TO GIVE IT TO EVERYONE!

What's more there are no strings attached. (so they say) You wont have to get a job or quit being an alcoholic or drug addict. One Australian who wrote about this even argued that even pot heads and drinkers should get it regardless. Also people who have questionable difficulty managing money such as the severely mentally ill, people who spend their money foolishly should get it without strings attached.

What on earth are these liberals thinking? Do they think that if we give them free healtcare, free housing, free food, free this and free that and a handout of six hundred to a thousand dollars a month that they will want to hold a job? That they will be responsible? Do we seriously believe that if we give them all this money that they will start a business, produce, innovate or do anything but lay about?

Well that's the problem with liberals. They don't think through the consequences of the actions of socialism. We ARE seeing at this moment the failure of government regulations, how aspiring entrepreneurs are overwhelmed with all the hoops and barriers they must jump over just to start a small business and wind up going on welfare instead. Waiting 5 hours in line for food stamps and welfare and filling out triplicate forms is easier than waiting a year for government to approve your business and pay hundreds and thousands of dollars in fees afterwards.

The welfare state instead of a safety net is more of a hammock. One that I might add is flimsy and wont support and hold up very well. Why go to college study hard and work hard if you can live in public housing and get food stamps? After all, in the end the government will probably ban you from working, steal your money, close your business ETC and why work hard all your life if the government can take it away?

So now the liberal socialists will simplify it. A free handout. a few hundred a month, maybe a thousand and expect everything to be okay. Yeah, they think people are going to invest in a college education or small business and work.

But the truth of the matter is that it is not a free handout. Nothing is free and to say that there will be no strings attached is a mistake. For whenever you deal with the government, there is always, strings attached, not to mention chains. As I mentioned before... Liberals never think through the consequences of their actions. This is why their ideologies fail every time they are implemented.

So suppose we implement Universal Basic income here. Questions:Who is in charge of handing it out? Will the Social security administration handle that task the way they handle SSI? Who decides how much we get? What if the government takes it away from us? What if government requires something in return later on? Will the amount go up and down? Suppose I take a job at McDonald's? Will my UBI be deducted? If so whats the point of working? What happens if it is misused? Will there be a representative payee program like with SSI and disability? What if the payee abuses it? What if government does nothing about it? What if drug addicts and mentally ill still get it while healthy people are given abusive payees?

Another even better question? Can we afford to pay every American a UBI? No doubt taxes will have to be raised and spending on the military will have to be cut off. I also expect liberals will use eminent domain, asset forfeiture, SSI scamming and other underhanded socialist tricks to seize money from those who toil their whole lives to pay for it.

But if we simply use reason and logic and think through and remember our history especially the past 100 years of history, we can come up with the answers very easily. In fact I'm going to give a few of them right now...

First of all, we cannot afford it. Even if we tax the wealthiest Americans 80% or even 90% of their incomes we couldn't afford it. To top it off, since it will take away the incentive to work, invest and innovate, you wont see anymore people working and paying taxes. To top it off, liberals will begin working their way painfully from top to bottom like they do in states like Maine and New Jersey. In Maine for instance, liberals have scared off all their businesses with high taxes and regulations and it is the poorest state in the Northeast and 3rd poorest in the country. It is also the worst state for jobs.

To top it all off it has the most regressive tax system in America. One of the highest sales and income tax burdens especially on the middle class and working poor, pay roll taxes ETC. Democrats in that state argued "oh! We all have to sacrifice for the greater good!" The greater good of course meaning totalitarian statism and socialist domination.

The same will happen nation wide. I expect liberals to tax to death even the middle class and raise sales taxes to the same level as the Europeans, meaning sales taxes of 25% or 30% to the dollar especially on necessities. This will further destroy the incentive to work and innovate, it will destroy the incentive to create jobs for businesses that still exist barely. Its like I told one liberal on YouTube. If the government can soak the rich, they can soak the homeless even more. They do in Maine.

To answer the other questions, yes there will be strings attached. If the government has that much power to give you free money and health care for life it can take it away from you for any reason it can fathom such as being too old, too sick, too weak or being disabled and unable to work. So that pretty much means you don't contribute. You become what liberals in the early 20th century used to term, useless eaters. The state will either kill you or leave you to starve to death.

Also the UBI can be used to coerce loyalty. Are you a tea party member? Do you vote for candidates or measures that oppose socialism and the glorious liberal communist state? No more money for you! Not only that we will ban you from working! It can happen easily friends. As for the Australian's viewpoint that even the very wild and crazy and addicts can have it with no strings attached, well its doubtful.

Eventually if such a program is implemented, there will be incidents of severely impaired individuals getting the money but not using it for needs instead say donating it to the flat earth society or buying scrap metal to build a magic toaster that can travel in time, not to mention incidents of people overdosing or causing criminal mischief. With that the representative payee program will no doubt be used for that purpose.

The Representative Payee program in truth is a liberal conspiracy to steal your benefits and waste them. Payees are allowed to charge up to 40$ out of your benefits if you have one.(Devastating if you only get 400$ a month.)Often times, people who are perfectly capable of managing money are given payees and people who aren't are left alone. The overwhelming majority of those who have them are abused and wind up worse off then ever.

Those of you who have read my blog over the years are familiar with stories of liberals confiscating entire estates and destroying jobs to force innocent people into poverty and misery. Throughout America thousands of Americans who once were employed and independent had our liberal government come in, take away their money, job, home and belongings, put guardians and payees in charge and dump them on the streets. I intend to go into more detail about the representative payee program and how it is misused and abused and how it is clumsy and further proof of socialism's failure later on.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: basic; communism; freemoney; handouts; income; miltonfriedman; minimumwage; negativeincometax; obamarecession; obamataxhikes; obamunism; reppayee; socialism; socialsecurity; ubi; universal; universalbasicincome
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To: mainestategop

I think they’d have better luck trying to develop a replicator (Star Trek) machine. At least then, everyone could have their Earl Grey (or cat food..)


21 posted on 07/20/2011 10:49:06 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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22 posted on 07/20/2011 10:52:00 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: mainestategop

How much money does the private sector have to create in order for the government to distribute $300,000,000,000 / month (1000 * 300,000,000 or so citizens)?

I guess a better way to ask it is - in order for me to get a single dollar from the government, the bueracracy put in place for me to receive that money (taxman, administration, overhead etc...) has to get paid. So in reality a dollar in my pocket is two, three or four (or more!) dollars out of the private sector.

I can’t believe any serious person is considering this.


23 posted on 07/20/2011 10:57:55 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (if there were a little more of me around we'd all be better off.)
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To: Paradox

Hell, I’d go for that... as long as they could make the “getting rid of all and every government welfare payment to the people, all entitlements” part stick. It would probably be a lot cheaper than the current welfare system.

Got a better idea, though. IMPLEMENT THE FAIR TAX. It has a “prebate” that fill the purpose.


24 posted on 07/20/2011 11:04:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: count-your-change

It used to be “Hey buddy, spare a dime?”

Now it’s “Hey buddy, spare 600-1000 a month?”


25 posted on 07/20/2011 11:04:37 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (if there were a little more of me around we'd all be better off.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

$300 billion per month is $3.6 trillion per year. We don’t have it.


26 posted on 07/20/2011 11:08:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

$300 billion per month is $3.6 trillion per year. We don’t have it.


27 posted on 07/20/2011 11:08:46 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: mainestategop

Just like the French “Universal Health Care” coming here, this thing is about destroying private entreprize, famishing Christians and providing with apparently nothing and no one to work for it the rest. What is the plan here? Getting the Chinese to pay for us? It’s not going to happen, folkes.


28 posted on 07/20/2011 11:31:17 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: rbg81

Great Britain has prided itself on being so sophisticated and glorifying the “lovable layabout” who sucks off the welfare system and refuses to move out of his easy chair. I find those “lovable layabout” characters they show in their sitcoms to be repulsive.


29 posted on 07/20/2011 12:53:17 PM PDT by Twinkie (For whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13)
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To: Paradox
There is a Spongebob Squarepants cartoon where SB makes so much money selling Pretty Patties that he decides to give away his profits. There is a scene with SB handing out money to a queue of fish. After he gets his money, one fish says, "I'm getting back in line."
30 posted on 07/20/2011 12:57:52 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: mainestategop

Why am I not surprised?


31 posted on 07/20/2011 1:10:31 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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