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1 posted on 07/12/2011 10:06:17 AM PDT by mainestategop
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With a liberal infested Jury? Hell NO.


2 posted on 07/12/2011 10:08:52 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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BTW Liberal means, Filthy Communist.


3 posted on 07/12/2011 10:10:16 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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Hasn’t worked since OJ got away with cold blooded murder, hands covered with blood, and bloody glove behind his house. Other than just letting one or a panel of three judges determine guilt/innocence, I’m not sure what the solution is.


4 posted on 07/12/2011 10:11:19 AM PDT by laweeks
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Trial by jury won’t work as long as the case lawyers pick the jury.


5 posted on 07/12/2011 10:12:14 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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And we must stop cherry-picking jurors. Former military, police, private investigators, and such should not be excluded from the jury pool unless there is cause to do so.

The military system is superior in that respect because it limits the amount of challenges a prosecutor or defense lawyer can issue in selecting a jury.


6 posted on 07/12/2011 10:12:35 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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I don’t think the jury system is the problem. The problem is we have become a dumbed down society, no common sense, and most have the attention span of a flea.

Obama is our President.......thats all the proof you need.


7 posted on 07/12/2011 10:12:49 AM PDT by panthermom (Pray for my son in Aghanistan and all the troops!)
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“Liberals unfortunately are incapable of morality and patriotism and cannot be good citizens.”

wow, that’s a pretty strong statement!


8 posted on 07/12/2011 10:12:55 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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Blog pimping so early?
9 posted on 07/12/2011 10:13:55 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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Casey Anthony was acquitted because the prosecution failed to prove their case and the jury properly did not send Anthony to jail and maybe a death sentence just because a mob of screaming women outside the courthouse wanted that.

In this case the jury system worked just fine.

The message to prosecutors here is not to bring charges against people until they have a solid case.


10 posted on 07/12/2011 10:14:23 AM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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I might accept the argument that jurors should be selected on the basis of their commitment to civic duty (registering to vote) vs. operation of a dangerous vehicle.

However, our entire trial/jury system is designed to be better to free a guilty person than to punish an innocent one. Otherwise, I’m wary of someone attempting to change the system simply because they didn’t like a verdict.

It was the prosecution’s case to lose and they did.


11 posted on 07/12/2011 10:15:12 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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The American jury system works just fine 5 days a week in every city and county of our great country. The American people are well educated and fair minded. Overall they do a wonderful job of judging their peers.

I was on a jury about 2 years ago. A child molestation case in Gwinnett County, GA. The trial took 3 days. The prosecution and the defense put on their case and then the jury deliberated and a came to a verdict. I believe we got to the truth and made the right decision.

Occasionally a guilty person goes free and an innocent person goes to jail but most of the time justice is done. Its not a perfect system but then nothing ever is.


14 posted on 07/12/2011 10:19:37 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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I think most of the time Trial by Jury works just fine. Most people will convict or acquit someone regardless of their skin color or politics according to their conscience.

In the case of Casey Anthony, for example, I was personally outraged at the acquittal, but I can’t fault the jury’s decision based on the case the prosecution built.

At the end of the day, prosecutors are government employees who have no real “skin in the game” whether they win or lose. Defense attorneys rise and fall by their performance though.

Maybe the real problem is that the prosecution bears the largest burden of proof, and there’s simply no real incentive for them to go at it hard, get it right the first time, etc.

Everything in the state’s road to conviction sets the prosecution of to fail - CSI labs are usually remote with dispassionate lab techs who only do the testing their ordered to do, and take no personal interest in the larger case. There’s often no real penalty for lying on the stand as a witness, unless you’re outright proven to be deliberately perjuring yourself. Long trials tend to desensitize juries to the horrific details of the cases their evaluating.

Maybe the “fix” is to incentivize the prosecution for clear wins and to penalize them for procedural losses, or acquittals that arise as a direct result of lack of attention to detail or engagement.

The bottom line is that most juries take the “reasonable doubt” caveat very seriously, and the prosecution has to be exceedingly convincing to get past that.


15 posted on 07/12/2011 10:20:26 AM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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One thing is certain. The process of jury selection and the rules for serving need to be changed.

None of these jurors should be able to make money off of serving for a period of 5 years after a verdict.

There should be no jury consultants and the jury should be selected from the county where the trial is held.

They can always move the whole trial before starting it.

Another thing. The defense does not have to prove the person innocent. That said, if they are going to lay out a defense by laying the blame at the specific feet of another person who has not been charged, they need to offer some evidence to prove it. If they can’t, it should be stricken as false.


17 posted on 07/12/2011 10:22:41 AM PDT by dforest
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Does trial by Jury still work?

...it could.

..if the trial is not too long.

Every week that the trial drags on, is a step closer to the person on trial getting off scott-free.

20 posted on 07/12/2011 10:23:40 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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Every time I start to rail against the jury system and the morons who get put on juries, I stop and think about what trial by judge means—and get a cold chill up my spine.

To paraphrase the old quote: the jury system is the worst system in the World for determining guilt, except for all the others.


21 posted on 07/12/2011 10:28:22 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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Who is Medgar Evens? Perhaps he meant Medgar Evers?


22 posted on 07/12/2011 10:30:56 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Jurors must be educated, skilled, and must have excellent judgment. The jurors must put aside their biases personal and political and focus only on the issue of guilt or innocence in a criminal or civil trial. Jurors must also have in possession morality and virtue. Add to this, they must be good citizens. Liberals unfortunately are incapable of morality and patriotism and cannot be good citizens.

It is important to note that it only takes 8 to 16% of jurors to have these qualities for a successful jury system, and knowing that Liberals are unfit (correct conclusion) contradicts the political bias exclusion.

My conclusion: the Jury system works, is absolutely necessary and may be our last defense against Marxist tyranny.

23 posted on 07/12/2011 10:31:49 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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Ten messed up cases vs how thousands of cases that worked out just fine.

You’re going to get the occasional messed up case.
That’s life.

You don’t tear up a system that has a failing rate of 0.0000000000000% or about that much.


24 posted on 07/12/2011 10:32:38 AM PDT by Jonty30
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No system can get things right 100% of the time, I don't understand why anyone would believe otherwise.

It is better to allow some of the guilty to walk than to punish the innocent, and the system is slanted that way.

26 posted on 07/12/2011 10:48:20 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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Trial by jury never worked.

If our age ceases to believe in trial by jury, than another fiction will be concocted to take its place, to create the illusion of justice to placate a restive citizenry by allowing their resentments from their private injuries, to be vicariously satisifed in the morality play called the Justice System.


27 posted on 07/12/2011 11:08:35 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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