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Incoherent Lunatics Scream at Sarah Palin in Wisconsin
Posted on 06/16/2011 10:31:17 PM PDT by techno
Around the time that President Clinton got into hot water with Monica Lewinsky in 1998, wife Hillary coined the phrase "vast right-wing conspiracy" to denote the supposed nefarious, political forces that were determined to bring her husband down and cause him to leave office.
Personally I think Hillary was a bit off in her assessment of Clinton's enemies (personally I think Bill Clinton was his own worse enemy)but 13 years later I think we do have a vast right-wing conspiracy set up to derail the Presidential ambitions of Sarah Palin.
In the past I focused more on the Left and Obama and his war room and their evil use of Alinsky tactics to destroy and eliminate their enemies and their spouses (what Cheri Daniels was afraid of) but recently I believe the Left and Obama have their own problems to deal with like getting Obama re-elected despite falling poll numbers and decided to leave it in the hands of the Right, but giving the MSM and MSM pollsters free rein to help the Right anyway they can to dispatch Sarah Palin from the presidential battlefield.
I believe this vast right-wing conspiracy was probably hatched sometime before the debate in the back rooms and officially launched once the debate ended and especially after Bachmann exceeded expectations in the debate.
Now how do I know it is vast, that it is of right-wing origin and a conspiracy.
First let me define a conspiracy: a group of people planning, scheming or agreeing in secret to commit an illegal, subversive or wrongful act
We all know who the right-wing is: GOP establishment and party hierarchy types, Bushies, traditional Republicans, neocons, lobbyists, Beltway RINO's, Rockefeller elitists, Fox News executives, right-wing talk show hosts (not Rush, Sean, or Mark), prominent right-wing bloggers (Daily Caller, Hot Air, townhall.com) etc.
And vast: great in size, amount, extend or degree
Now here are 10 reasons why I think I stumbled onto a vast right-wing conspiracy:
1)Rumors that are afloat that Jeb Bush wants to run in 2016 and to ensure he has clear sailing to the nomination his allies in this venture (including the Bush 43 team) want to ensure Romney gets the GOP nomination because they know he will lose to Obama.
2)A blackout on declaring any good polling news about Sarah Palin after the debate. The Econ/yougov poll got in under the radar undetected. The results should not have gotten out that Palin was 6 points ahead of Romney in that poll. Note Romney's numbers with NBC/WSJ and Rasmussen--in the 30's.
3) Ed Rollins, on behalf of Michele Bachmann savagely attacking Sarah Palin without provocation
4)Rumors of Michele Bachmann being a stalking horse for Mitt Romney brought together by Karl Rove
5)Rasmussen polling the GOP presidential contenders without including Sarah Palin in the mix which was egregious since the Real Clear Politics average of polls shows her alone in 2nd spot. (see below)
6)No mention in the media after the debate about Romney's two major weaknesses--Romneycare, forgeting that it ever existed and Romney not playing well to very conservative and evangelical voters.
7) Right-wing talk radio and Fox News promoting a Romney-Bachmann ticket or implying that Bachmann is Romney's main challenger when the polls tell us this is not close to being accurate. Even noted Bachmann basher, Chris Matthews of MSNBC has jumped on her bandwagon. That definitely has to raise some red flags. And Leftist Joan Walsh of Salon has also weighed in asking Herman Cain to leave the race in order to boost Michele Bachmann.
8)An article today by Jennifer Jacobs of the Iowa Caucuses speculating on where many undecided former Huckabee supporters might end up in terms of a new political home and not mentioning Palin's name once as a possible destination. Every poll before Huckabee left the race, when asking for second choices hypothetically if Huck were not in the mix picked Sarah Palin as their #1 alternative.
9)Totally negative "programmming" about Sarah Palin by the media and round-the-clock memes she is not running or being completely disingenuous in not considering her a major player or a threat to Mitt Romney.
10)Little commentary after the debate from right-wing media that commented favorably about Palin, and that she appears to be vindicated after the media did not find anything going through 24,000 pages of e-mails.
Now for the record folks as I write this according to Real Clear Politics, Romney's average is 24.4, Palin's is 16.0, Cain is at 9.3 and Bachmann is at 6.3.
Note: Rudy Giuliani is averaging 11 but was only included in 3 of the 9 polls to calculate the average.
Who is entrenched in 2nd place in the polls? Sarah Palin. Who has finished first or tied for first in 3 separate polls post-Huckabee (PPP June 2, Reuters/Ipsos, and Econ/yougov)? Sarah Palin Who according to CNN's last poll now is supported by 27% of GOP primary female voters? Sarah Palin.
As of last week in the Iowa Report weekly survey who was tied for the lead in support with Mitt Romney in respect to the Iowa Caucuses? Palin 19%, Romney 19%
Not Michele Bachmann. She was at 12%.
Never in the history of the GOP primaries has a person finished a consistent second and an occasional first in so many polls and gotten so little attention but instead massive disdain.
Yes this is a conspiracy of silence to shut out Sarah Palin from the political conversation, a conspiracy to promote Michele Bachmann as a viable Presidential candidate through smoke and mirrors and finally a conspiracy whose only purpose is to prevent Sarah Palin from entering the race.
Look at the number of players involved: is is a conspiracy.
Yes it is right-wing. That is so obvious.
And yes it is vast. It is nationwide.
Now you may ask why?
This is simple. If Sarah Palin does not enter the presidential race, Mitt Romney will win the GOP nomination--no ifs, and or buts. And the elements involved in this vast right-wing conspiracy all know it and are heavily invested to making damned sure it happens.
But they don't want you to know that is their end game because if it ever got out it could split the party wide open.
But they also know they have a very narrow window of opportunity to torpedo Sarah Palin for she could enter the Presidential race at any time over the next 4-6 weeks. And then there is that damned movie The Undefeated which many right-wing prominent bloggers have seen and say it has the potential to rehabilitate her image. Fail to take her out now and Romney might end up losing the nomination to her once she hits the ground running. The stakes are just too high right now to fiddle around with such a charismatic politician like Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin must be eliminated. Hillary Clinton, you were right about a vast right-wing conspiracy but you were 13 years premature to calling attention to it. This one is real. Your's wasn't.
Who said she is waiting till the fall?
She said she will be making her decision in the summer.
And remember if she doesn’t enter the race, Mitt Romney will be the nominee. You can take that to the bank.
He has at least a 15 point lead over the rest of the field and a hell of a lot more money at his disposal than most of them.
T-Paw and Newt are both toast. Huntsman is polling at 2% and do you really think the GOP primary voters are going to give Herman Cain the “keys to the GOP kingdom” when he has never been elected to a public office before.
So who do we have? Santorum. No way. Lucky to get to double digits.
Ron Paul. Give me a break.
Michele Bachmann. In the Rasmussen poll released today she’s still 14 points behind Romney but Palin wasn’t part of the poll.
Who do we have left? Right. Palin. And guess who is entrenched in second place behind Romney. Palin.
This next few months is all about Romney and Palin.
If you want Romney as your nominee vote for Mitt or Michele and you will get Romney. If you don’t want Romney you have to vote for Palin. There is no other option.
Sure. If the goal is to stop a RINO in Primaries, it is an easy vote. Then what? Who and how are we stopping Obama (Osama)? The socialist candidate?
There is no precedent for Palin in either party. She inspires passion in supporters and incites hatred in her opponents to a degree I have never seen, not even in Reagan’s supporters and opponents.
But I don’t see any conspiracy. I think we’re just seeing the same old country club sorts who’ve always been with us, who want Romney and don’t want Palin.
There’s no need to find conspiracies when the sides are so plainly exposed.
Palin is an anomaly. There is no predicting what impact she will have until she declares, IF she declares. I am starting to suspect she will not run, and part of that is seeing the full scope of those who are against her.
I have an continue to believe that Palin is the only person who could run who shares my values, and I still think she is the one person I could enthusiastically vote for. Yet I have reservations about her, which one cannot have without being labelled a hater or whatever. That, in part, is the core of her problem—the fanatical hatred for her is mirrored by the fanatical love for her, when in reality Palin is a political figure who should be judged and whose positions debated as would any other candidate.
The rabid loathing of her by the press have made that impossible, and thus her fans respond with fury to the lunacy of the leftist media. All of this is about feelings, and makes rational, dispassionate discussion of her qualities and flaws as a candidate (as opposed to as a human being) impossible, and makes predictions about her impact difficult.
But as more time passes, I for one am less convinced she will actually run. Palin’s impact on the 2010 election should be seen as an example of how she is most valuable, as a party-builder. How many ‘conservative’ politicians go to Washington and suddenly they’re not so conservative anymore? I think Palin has the potential to be a president whose conservatism would be revealed as the real thing in Washington, something that could secure conservative power (if conservative pols GOVERN the way they RUN) for a long time.
Yet Palin strikes me as more realistic than some of her fans. I suspect she knows what her fans don’t want to admit—that the forces against her that have such a hard time defeating her as a party figure would have a much easier time defeating her as a presidential candidate.
It’s just the same old moderate Republicans having the common goal of the liberals. It’s an old story, not a secret conspiracy.
bttt
The 2012 election will be all about turnout.
2008 was lost because millions of WHITES (mainly conservatives) stayed home and didn’t vote.
From Timothy Noah of Slate Magazine after the 2008 election:
“The greatest favor the WHITE race did for Obama this year may have been to stay home.”
As a result the demographics by ethnic group broke this way:
WHITES: 73.0
BLACKS: 13.0
HISPANIC: 9.0
ASIAN: 2.0
OTHER: 3.0
In contrast in the 2010 election it was:
WHITE 77.0
BLACK 11.0
HISPANIC 9.0
ASIAN 1.5
OTHER 1.5
Back to 2008 for second. Joel Mowbray did a post-mortem of the 2008 result and came to a conclusion that the main reason Obama won, in addition to WHITE voters not showing up, was that Obama got 1/3 more conservative votes than Kerry did in 2004. Obama got 20% and McCain got 78%.
In 2010 the Democrats got 13% and the GOP got 84%.
Now the final piece of the puzzle. In 2008 Obama got 43% of the WHITE vote and McCain got 55%.
In 2010 it was 37% for the Democrats and 60% for the GOP.
And indianrightwinger you know what happened in 2010.
So here’s the deal-bottom line what has to happen for the GOP nominee to win the 2012 Presidential election:
1) Maximize white (conservative) turnout
2) Win about the same percentage of the conservative vote as in 2010 and keep Obama to no more than 14% of the conservative vote in 2012.
3)Win around 60% of the WHITE vote as in 2010 and hold Obama to around 38% at most of the WHITE vote.
Let me point out other than the Bin Laden bounce, Obama has polling under 40% with WHITE voters and around 15% with conservatives. So it is quite possible.
Now why Palin?
1)With Romney you risk the creation of a 3rd party of conservatives or the same situation as 2008 where conservatives simply don’t come out.
With Sarah Palin, a Reagan conservative, you won’t have that problem. In addition because she is a Reagan conservative she is more likely to hold Obama down to 13-14% among conservatives.
Now can Palin reach 60% support from WHITES? She can if the economy is terrible and right now only about 35% of WHITES give Obama thumbs up for his handling of the economy.
Finally I’ll leave you with this:
Jay Cost, poll analyst, claimed in Dec 2010, that no matter who the GOP nominee was, Obama would claim no less than 45% of the vote and no more than 55% of the vote and the same goes for the GOP nominee. In other words the candidates are trying to win over 7-8% of the vote.
In my opinion there is no way Obama is going to get more than 53% of the vote which he got in 2008. So I believe he will get somewhere between 45% and 52% of the vote so that means the GOP candidate will get anywhere from 48% to 55% of the vote maximum.
The key is how much will a 3rd party candidate take from each side? That is hard to predict.
But the way I see the 2012 election it will be a close election like 2004 where Bush got 286 electoral votes to 252 for Kerry.
I’m not saying Palin will win but I am saying if Romney is the nominee we will lose.
I have some opinions about Palin and the opinions others have about her.
1. Palin scares the living daylights out of “normal” politicians. Why? She isn’t “normal”. Palin ascended to power in Alaska DESPITE the political parties, not BECAUSE OF the party. Think about it a second. She ran against a sitting Governor IN HER OWN PARTY and beat him in the primary. The simple fact that she did that scares the entrenched politicians TO DEATH!
2. As a follow up to #1, Palin “connects” to the average voter FRIGHTENINGLY easy, from the establishment point of view. Joe the Plumber instantly relates to Palin. Again, that fact is what scares the establishment to death.
3. Add the top two together. Who fears Palin? The established politicians of both parties. The Democrats fear her because she is the antithesis of what they want. THe Republican establishment fear her because they will lose power if she wins.
4. What has shaped public opinion about Palin? Think this through just a little. Palin came onto the scene with John McCain about to die on the vine. His campaign was DOOMED. When Palin hit the stage, it energized the GOP base and got him back into the race. BEFORE ELECTION DAY, GOP insiders saw what was coming and began the smear campaign. Everything was prepped and readied.
The day after the election, they went after Palin with a vengeance. She, not the establishmnet favorite McCain, was the reason he lost. They enlisted every media outlet and began the assault.
THAT is how Palin’s image has been shaped. How has she countered? She used Roger Ailes and got the gig on Fox. Ailes wanted the ratings, not the popularity for Palin. That is why her contributions have been so infrequent on Fox.
Palin also pitched her show on Discovery. She got her story out in extremely “odd” ways, compared to other politicians. She had to. The Establishment, the Washington cocktail circuit, the Main Stream Media (who crave their Washington insider status as much as the politicians) could in NO WAY have this outsider intrude into their exalted world.
That Sarah Palin polls 2nd behind Romney right now is ASTOUNDING! If Palin runs, she will not have the support of the GOP machine. It will be grassroots from beginning to end. That is probably why she has not made up her mind. And probably why she is waiting for the perfect moment if she does run. She will need every break possible to defeat BOTH political parties and win the presidency.
Your absolutely right about having to beat both political parties, but my point is one at a time.
Let’s focus on denying Romney the nomination (unless you want him to get it) and then once we do that we can then turn to Obama.
Because if conservatives, evangelicals and TP supporters cannot coalesce under one roof (Sarah Palin) and instead divvy their votes up among several conservatives, Romney will come up the middle. And that is really the only purpose of the Michele Bachmann candidacy, to bleed enough votes from Palin to hand the nomination to Romney.
No, the conspiracy actually started immediately after the 2008 election and accelerated after the 2010 mid-terms.
Pawlenty Raises "Moderate" Flag At RGA Conference
GOP Governors Pull the Plug On Palin's Press Conference
Next for GOP leaders: Stopping Sarah Palin (October 31, 2010)
And Romney's minions have been attacking Palin ever since the day McCain selected her as his running mate. Diogenesis has the links.
And as most folks at Conservatives4Palin already know, Bachmann made some kind of deal over the Christmas holidays, and in January, members of her staff showed up in South Carolina and Iowa and began bad mouthing Sarah to local GOP chairmen and leaders.
As I said a few days ago, once Palin jumps in, the nicey-nice among the GOP candidates will end, and every one of them will go after Palin- NOT Obama. The only exceptions I could see would be Cain and Paul.
I call bullshit on your first fantasy.
Even the worst rino can't stand the idea that obama gets a second term.
You are taking up too much oxygen and creating too much methane.
Stop the vanities that are just your delusions.
Thank you, Techno for this Must-Read post.
That Rasmussen poll was bogus because he left Sarah’s name out but included her in all the prior polls. So it’s like apples to oranges.
I’ve noticed that just about every Palin hater on the planet, including Tingles, now loves Bachmann even if they said she was batsh!t crazy before. Coincidence? I say not. MB is a useful tool to those who want to stop Sarah from running.
Ain’t gonna work. No one puts Baby in a corner! ;)
Techno can’t post accurate stats for the general until after the GOP primaries are over. Campaigns make a difference. The ones who run the best campaigns during the primaries will get a bump in general election polls.
It’s early. The GOP candidates are just starting to make their moves. Not everyone is in yet. I predict Huntsman, Giuliani, & Palin will run. That will shake up the field. Perry & Christie are interested but I’m not sure if they will go for it.
With the rate of inflation, gas prices, unemployment, mortgage foreclosures not to mention all these wars Obama has us in now and his foreign policy failures, the poll numbers will change for the general. How do you feel towards Obama each time you fill up your tank? I bet millions and millions feel that way too and the numbers will grow.
Truer words were never spoken.
They saw what Sarah Palin did to the Republican establishment in Alaska.
She has no tolerance for cronyism in either party.
The Republican "insiders" might have to go out and get a real job if Sarah becomes president....
AND THEY KNOW IT!
She is probably going to hire some damn fine OUTSIDERS to assist her.
It doesn't matter what happens to the country, even if it is destroyed. What is important to the insiders is they have to stay INSIDE.
Sarah Palin presents the specter of too many moving vans and U-Haul trucks loading up and LEAVING Washington DC with the belongings of Republican smart asses who have been accomplices to the destroyers of America.
To save America, the next president MUST be an outsider who is ONE OF US.
In 1980 the RinoCrats got shut out by a Flyover Country candidate named Reagan. From their perspective, he put things “behind” about 20-30 years. They will do ANYTHING they can to pre-empt Palin who is the lat stumbling block to World Gov’mt.
and the last thing we need is a “religion problem” on the ticket. A Mormon (who will be demonized when he is the assured nominee) and a Congresswoman who belongs to a church that teaches that the Catholic Pope is the Anti-Christ, ensuring we piss off something like 30% of the populace or so.
They don’t call us the stupid party for nothin’.
Have you heard anyone raving about Romney other than the talking heads in media or politics?
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