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1 posted on 06/16/2011 10:54:02 AM PDT by jazusamo
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there is absolutely NO comparison


2 posted on 06/16/2011 10:55:14 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel, and instead supplied thousands of arms to drug cartels locked in a life-or-death struggle with a key U.S. ally and trading partner.

I still believe that this was an attempt by the government to implicate legal gun sales in drug cartel murders, thus trying to justify more regulations and restrictions on gun ownership inside the US. Chasing after the drug cartels was secondary at most.

4 posted on 06/16/2011 10:58:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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Well of course ,Leftist Idiots are involved in this.


5 posted on 06/16/2011 10:59:30 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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President Barack Obama’s Department of Justice has purposefully armed narco-terrorist drug cartels that have been accused of bombings, ambushes, mass murders, public executions, and the assassination of police, politicians, and civic leaders.

He'll say that the agents, who, after all, were holdovers from the Bush administration, "acted stupidly."

7 posted on 06/16/2011 11:04:17 AM PDT by StonyMan451
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“Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel, and instead supplied thousands of arms to drug cartels locked in a life-or-death struggle with a key U.S. ally and trading partner.”

I hope Issa gets to the bottom of this, however Mexico is not an ally. Anything that we give to Mexico will come back to hurt us.


8 posted on 06/16/2011 11:04:28 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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It seems to me that in regards to the Constitutional separation of powers and that all bills for raising revenue need to start in the House of Representatives - the Executive selling arms to Iran to fund an army in South America is much more serious.

Imagine if 0bama sold arms to Iran and used the money to fund a rebel army in South America. Would you say that was a bigger deal than ATF allowing lots of guns to hit the streets?

Dismantle the ATF. Alcohol Tobacco Explosives and Firearms sounds like a typical weekend back home - or a damn fine bait shop - it shouldn't be a federal agency.

10 posted on 06/16/2011 11:07:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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There is only one reason the lefties did this: To put the blame on American gun dealers for selling guns to the Mexicans. They claimed so many firearms going across the border but the real numbers didn’t add up, so in order to push their radical anti-gun agenda they made up their own scandal. Back fired on them though, didn’t it. Every official involved in this down to the lowest agent and up to the top of the heap should be headed for jail.


11 posted on 06/16/2011 11:08:09 AM PDT by calex59
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13 posted on 06/16/2011 11:11:23 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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14 posted on 06/16/2011 11:15:02 AM PDT by Roccus
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two AK-pattern semiautomatic rifles recovered at the scene

Wow, the rare article that gets every single statement about guns correct.

17 posted on 06/16/2011 11:20:06 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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“You tell me which is worse.”

Oh definitely Gunrunner IMO, and especially if we add in the part you (the author) didn’t mention which would be about the gun grabbing aspect, or intent of operation “GunWalker”.


20 posted on 06/16/2011 11:38:02 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Let’s be VERY careful because words mean things.

Gunrunner started during the Bush administration. Straw gun buyers were tracked, arrested and the guns were seized.

Operation Fast and Furious began in 2009 under Obama and Holder. Straw gun buyers were tracked, NOT arrested and the guns were NOT seized.

Agents were met with threats when they questioned the policy.

This is an important distinction.

During testimony yesterday a break in DOJs time line was exposed. Obama gave an interview to hispanic television in March, before DOJ admitted the operation even existed. This means they expect Issa and company to believe that Obama knew but Holder did not.

YEAH, RIGHT. If Holder gets a contempt charge he’ll be LUCKY.


22 posted on 06/16/2011 11:47:35 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland (!@)
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I agree with most that the idea here was to implicate honest firearm dealers and owners.

For those that think the media would report the facts, remember, the number of children killed by firearms statistics includes those up to age 25 and those killed by the police or citizens in self-defense.


23 posted on 06/16/2011 11:48:36 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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Gunrunner was an attempt to develop enough gun-running evidence to bring down a cartel the 2nd amendment
34 posted on 06/16/2011 12:09:56 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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When will impeachment proceedings begin? We have so many issues that are now impeachable offenses...so what are they waiting on?


35 posted on 06/16/2011 12:10:19 PM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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37 posted on 06/16/2011 1:41:42 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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Bob, you miss the TRUE purpose of Gunwalker, that being to create the “necessity” for new, more repressive gun legislation in the US!!! Two “Gunwalker” sold rifles were left at the scene of Terry’s murder!! How often do criminals leave their weapons at the scene??? Were they PLANTED on the direction of the ATF in order to provide evidence that new legislation was needed?????? Remember, if John Dodson had not spoken up and become the first and most important ATF whistleblower, from the day of Terry’s killing right up to NOW, there would be nothing but the tragic death of a Border Patrol agent! And leftists in DC—including the Obama Regime—would be SCREAMING for more gun legislation.


38 posted on 06/16/2011 2:08:36 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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Hmmmmm....let’s see, one operation fought communists, while the other got people killed in an operation aimed at ginning up false evidence to be used to violate my civil rights under color of law. Yup, identical ops. Excellent comparison.


39 posted on 06/16/2011 2:34:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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During the hearing yesterday the Democrats kept trying to make it a gun control issue and kept saying there were "abuses" in the Bush administration too. The media will NEVER pick it up and go crazy with it like they have Iran/Contra or Valerie Plame and the other fake Republican "scandals".

Won't happen.

43 posted on 06/16/2011 2:45:54 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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I've been asking this question since February. I'm glad someone is finally making the comparison now.

February 3, 2011:

This sounds a lot like Reagan's Iran-Contra scandal. While Iran-Contra did not bring down Reagan's presidency, it did result in the resignation of the National Security Advisor (Adm. Poindexter), and the firing of Col. Oliver North.

Will there be any lower-level resignations/firings over this?

March 24, 2011:

Question: What is worse, selling arms to Iranian rebels and diverting the profits to support Contra rebels in Nicaragua, or supplying arms to Mexican drug cartels to track the routes taken in order to lead back to the cartel HQ?

The former led to the resignation of Secretary of State Caspar Weinberger and the firing of Adm. Poindexter and Col. North. It almost brought down a presidency.

What will the latter lead to?

-PJ
46 posted on 06/16/2011 2:58:51 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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