That birth certificate is phony

WND ^ | May 10, 2011 | Joseph Farah

[RobinMasters]

I don't know about you, but I'm persuaded the birth certificate released by Barack Obama's White House is fake, phony, a fraudulent forgery.

Jerome Corsi, who has personally investigated Obama's constitutional eligibility more seriously than anyone else, agrees.

Why?

- Why release only a digital image of a document this controversial – one that cannot, according to forensics experts, be tested for authenticity?

- Why would Kapiolani Medical Center still be so sensitive about Obama's birthplace as to refuse all inquiries about Stanley Ann Dunham's hospital stay – even threatening this week to call the police when the non-threatening 64-year-old Ph.D. and best-selling author Corsi merely had some questions to ask?

- Now that Obama has claimed the hospital as his birthplace, why would Kapiolani still maintain an air of secrecy about it rather than celebrate and mark the historic birth of the first black president and the first from the state of Hawaii?

- Why the anomalies associated with the document – including the so-called "layering" as seen by amateur and professional sleuths who have examined it?

- Why the extraneous pencil markings found on both the White House release and the obvious earlier forgery showing a Kenyan birth?

[philman_36]

...doesn’t WND / Farah offer most all of their content for free?!

You will lose control of your hands and mind. You will be compelled, compelled I say, to pick that demon button. Feel an ethereal nothingness wash over you as you realize resistance is futile. /backwoods preacher

Oh, wait! Sorry about that. That's Mr. Dunham's election day speech, not WND forcing you to buy something.

[ml/nj]

Distinguishing text from non-text, in context, is not. OCR technology is pretty good, and getting better, but it’s not perfect. I deal with OCR’d documents every day (I’m an attorney, a number of my clients have scanned many of their contracts and saved them as PDFs).

Of course, the purpose of the pdf was to be a portable document format suitable for transfer to a printer. The OCR thing is a plus that came later. And just as with early chess programs that couldn't beat an average player, they aren't perfect.

In the case of the White House pdf, I have focused now on the signatures which are clearly non-text; and obviously (to me anyway) have different sources, pdf software or no.

I would be curious though about your pdf documents that you see in your legal work. I assume you produce some and you receive others. And here I'm only concerned with the ones that shouldn't be composites. Do you ever see any where even the text and the signatures have different pixelation? (Let alone two signatures next to each other!) And do you know anything about how the pdfs you produce become pdfs; or do you just scan and a pdf shows up on your computer? (As opposed say to obtaining a jpg from a scan and then utilizing Acrobat include the jpg image in a pdf?)

ML/NJ

[Triple]

With the philanthropic angle, if there was a drumbeat on a proposal like this one, Obama would be hard pressed to deny it.

Given its already out there (the LFCOLB) why not have ‘birther’ money fund homeless shelters? (There is no loss of privacy.) If Obama pulled this off - it would be a stroke of genius. The campaign staffer that brings this idea forward is sure to get a promotion.

What a PR win!

Obama campaign staffers - here is your next win on the road to re-election...

[Marylander]

Here's the link to videos showing just exactly what's on the various layers and why they show the thing is a forgery. I wasable to download the Adobe Illustrator and follow the steps on my own downloaded copy of the "BC." Took some practice, but awesome, really.

[Marylander]

Why would a person creating a fake document break up words like that?

Look on the layer with the white, but mostly complete preprinted BC form, the one with missing characters. Just as an exercise, imagine that someone had a valid BC number 61 1064X. All that would be needed would be to replace the valid information with the desired information, but if some of the valid information was handwritten, it might overlap some of the preprinted letters and they would be erased in the process. See the boxes for Hospital name and for signatures.

BTW I don't think this is a way to unseat Obama, acknowledging the fraud will happen in the far future, if at all, but I do think it is an amazing exercise.

[Admin Moderator]

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[Kleon]

WOW! Rocks depicting men riding dinosaurs.

Sorry, friend, those have been long been known to be a hoax.

[philman_36]

Sorry, friend, those have been long been known to be a hoax.
Well how about that. Can you share the info...give a link?

[trumandogz]

If man could have ridden dinosaurs, Fred Flintstone would not have had to buy that foot powered car.

[trumandogz]

“What bad baggage does Josepph Farah bring with him? I have been reading him for years and he seems to be one of the few still in possession of common sense.”

Sorry, but when you believe there are pterodactyls flying over your head, you have no common sense.

[ml/nj]

There seems to be a difference in pixelation (resolution). The top signature seems to have more pixels in it. Is that the problem?

Yes, the varying pixelation is sort of prima facie evidence of fraud.

The problem I see is that the dems have marched out their “experts” and have said this is the real deal.

I really haven't heard any experts defend this second birth certificate except to blow smoke. They'll say things like the software did it. Ask them to point to even ONE single document posted to the internet before April of this year that exhibits similar multiple pixelation and they will either tell you they are too busy and you should look, or they will just go away and pretend you never asked.

Forgeries take years in the courts. Years!

Maybe like Gulliver's description of a suit over the ownership of a cow, it would take a long time. But this is an obvious fraud. We're talking minutes here.

My opinion. It is fake. But Joe six pack is not going to understand this. Joe six-pack understands $5/gallon gas.

I'm not sure what your point is. Stupid people won't understand so we should instead make a mountain out of a molehill? $5/gal gas cost the average driver $3000 a year. And gas was never free, so maybe it costs $2000 more a year now. It hard to think of any tax that costs less, and at least one gets something for the gas money.

Anyway, I'm not so negative about the average guy's ability to understand. Yes, if they get lied to over and over they'll tend to believe it. But if someone comes along and tells them the truth, watch out.

ML/NJ

[trumandogz]

The Ica Stone Hoax!

You got to be kidding.

Are there any crop circles that you would like to show us?

[cruise_missile]

Its been days now. No one with any standing has come forward.

No coverage of this.

If you have the media on your side.
You can get away with anything.

My comment about Joe six-pack. Joe understands gas prices. This is over their head. This forgery is for political geeks like us. Besides the administration has already marched out several experts saying this is the real deal. Who is going to believe this now?

BTW. I listened to an interview with Frank Abignale (Catch Me If You Can). He said in relation to this. In order to prove it is a forgery or not. You need to take a sample of the ink off the document to examine it. Particularly around the rubber stamp area.

You have better odds getting to take a sample from the Shroud of Turin than you do of taking a sample from the this “document”. The courts aren't going to let it happen.

[Yardstick]

The point you’re making is part of what makes me think it’s not a forgery. There was another long thread on the BC and the conspiracy theorists never really gave a satisfying answer to it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2713138/posts?page=1

[ml/nj]

I listened to an interview with Frank Abignale (Catch Me If You Can). He said in relation to this. In order to prove it is a forgery or not. You need to take a sample of the ink off the document to examine it. Particularly around the rubber stamp area.

I guess he's not such an expert then. Ink samples are the sort of thing that might have to be done with a good forgery. For example, if this Dr. Sinclair had died in 1959 no ink sample would be necessary. And none is needed here either. It's an obvious forgery.

As for Administration "experts," they don't count for much. And I pay pretty close attention but cannot recall a single document expert who has given even qualified support for its authenticity.

ML/NJ

[philman_36]

The Ica Stone Hoax!
All I have on that is a claim that it's a hoax with no supporting evidence.
Have you got a link showing how it was determined they were a hoax? The other poster hasn't responded yet.

Are there any crop circles that you would like to show us?
Are there any more out of context quotes you want to show us?

[trumandogz]

So, according to you and your acceptance of the validity of the Ica Stones, man and dinosaur roamed the earth together, man rode on dinosaurs and horses for transportation all while using telescopes and performing heart surgery?

Pre-Colombian inhabitants of Peru used telescopes!

How about having that tripple bypass done in South American thousands of years ago?

Interestingly, horses did not exist in S. America during the pre-Colombian era.

Meet the Pre-Colombian Flintstones! I hear they lived in South America instead having cars powered Through the courtesy of Federico's two feet, they instead hopped on Dino for a ride.

Few people know this, but Dino Flintstone was the world's first dinosaur rights activists and was the founder of Bedrock's chapter of DETD (Dinosaurs for the Equal Treatment for Dinosaurs) Dino was quite successful in his effort as dinosaurs were not used as a form of transportation and lobbied the government into establishing General Foot Pedaling that would become General Motors 165 million years later and only after the combustible engine was developed. Interesting, the folks in pre-Colombian South America could ride on dinosaurs, look at the stars using telescopes, conduct open heart surgery but were unable to invent the wheel or the combustible engine.

[philman_36]

So all of that effort and not a single link to anyone or anything that proves a hoax. Go figure.

[trumandogz]

“So all of that effort and not a single link to anyone or anything that proves a hoax. Go figure.”

And you cannot prove that the Ica Stones are authentic. However, the vast majority of the evidence about the Ica Stones suggests that the Ica Stones are a hoax.

1. The Ica Stones depict man riding dinosaurs when there is no other evidence of man and dinosaur living together. Furthermore, there are no dinosaur bones and human bones that have been dated to the same time period.

2. The Ica Stones depict man using telescopes to look at the stars. Is it your view that man thousands or millions of years ago developed optics and and the technology to build telescopes?

3. The Ica Stones depict man riding horses when there is no evidence whatsoever that horses existed in the New World in pre-Colombian times.

4. The Ica Stones depict humans performing open heart surgery and brain transplants thousands of years prior to the ability to conduct hear surgery.

5. Javier Cabrera who bought the Ica Stones from locals and claimed to know the original source of the stones never revealed that original source.

6. Basilio Uchuya who sold the Ica Stones to Cabrera admits that he and his wife carved the Ica Stones!

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/ica_stones_yabba-dabba-do/

Care to prove that the stones are authentic and man and dinosaur did live together while people gazed at the stars with telescopes, received open heart surgery and brain transplants all while riding around on dinosaurs?

[philman_36]

Care to prove that...
Nah, not really. I just wanted to poke a stick at you for quoting the man out of context and see where this would end.
I'd do it if it was somebody else too. Taking somebody out of context isn't right.

Messing with you isn't right either, but I'm not perfect.