Posted on 05/05/2011 5:22:36 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
On April 27, 2011, Barack Hussein Obama held a press conference following the release of what he claimed is a copy of his long-form birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health in Honolulu.
The image does not appear to contain an embossed seal, just as that of the “Certification of Live Birth” released on the internet in June 2008 lacked that sign of authentication. The registration number of the short-form document had also been blacked out, which, according to the statement on the bottom of the form, “invalidated the certificate.”
Obama himself claimed that the short-form certification was his “official birth certificate,” which could not have been true, given that he released something more detailed on April 27. However, many had already labeled it a forgery.
Upon releasing the image in June 2008, the Daily KOS stated, “In any case, here is Obama’s birth certificate.” However, that claim was disproved by the more detailed long-form birth certificates released by Eleanor Nordyke, whose twin girls were born a day after Obama’s alleged birth at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.
One similarity between the Certification of Live Birth and the image posted last Wednesday is that neither bears an embossed seal. However, the birth certificates released by Mrs. Nordyke do, in the bottom-middle section between the signatures of the Director of Health and the Registrar General.
The U.S. State Department has strict requirements for those applying for U.S. passports, which the images Obama has claimed are his “birth certificates” do not meet because they lack an official seal. How, then, can these images be considered proof of anything? Why would they not have contained a seal from the state of Hawaii?
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Heidi says: Thursday, May 5, 2011 at 12:13 PM
This is a note from a genealogist friend of mine:
“What probably should be done is to contact the attorneys who are handling the case against obama.
***In my opinion, here is the lynchpin: Alvin T. Onaka, the Registrar who’s name appears on the certificate, should be subpoenaed to testify in court that the document that has been presented by obama is a true certificate that was issued by Onaka’s office.
***In order to do that, I would assume that an attorney would have to submit the fake document to the court as evidence in the case against obama, or else start a new civil suit that would deal solely with the new fake certificate.
***Then Onaka could be called as an expert witness to testify to the fact that either the certificate is a legal, certified copy or it is not.*** End of problem.
As I see it, Onaka could not testify to the legality of the document without his seal being stamped on the document.
He simply cannot.
What this certificate is, if it has indeed been issued by Onaka’s office, is an UNCERTIFIED COPY–ONE THAT LACKS THE EMBOSSED SEAL–THAT IS NOT VALID FOR USE IN A LEGAL SITUATION, I.E., TO ATTEST TO BIRTH IDENTITY, TO OBTAIN PASSPORTS, TO OBTAIN A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, TO APPLY FOR ENTRANCE INTO THE MILITARY, TO OBTAIN A DRIVER’S LICENSE, ETC.
What I believe is this: if the birth certificate document that has been released by obama as his true long-form certficate of live birth is a forgery, he is, at the very least, guilty of being party to the crime of forgery as he personally has verified that he is releasing this form of the document as a true copy.
***I suppose obama can always put the blame on Mr. Onaka for the document’s authenticity, but Onaka holds the trump card: his embossed seal is nowhere in sight.
***The copy, therefore, could have been made by anyone. And Onaka is therefore not obliged to take responsibility for it.”
I have contacted my Representative and asked him to get this legal verification.
The stupid... It still burns...
Let’s just make this easy, if BHO said it’s a lie.
“Let’s just make this easy, if BHO said it’s a lie.”
Well that’s a given.
You know this fake birth certificate is the first document that Obama has actually presented as a public and legal document. He owns this one.
He never took ownership of that digital COLB.
And what is this "seal" for?
If a photo of the LFBC surfaces clearly chowing the seal then the argument will change to “We do not know that this is the same document” and “We cannot determine what this is and besides, it doesn't matter as his father was Kenyish or Brityan or something...”
Good point.
Butter,
Care to jump in here?
See Butter’s thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2715107/posts
Is there an Hawaian statute (cite it please) that says you gotsta have a seal?
Bark, Bark!!!
“The stupid... It still burns...”
Well that’s what happens when you put your head up Obama’s ass.
You birthers get so nasty when your fantasies collapse.
But, a person shouldn't necessarily expect to see this kind of textural details clearly in a scan of a document.
But this never slows Birthers down. Take the COLB, the scans showed no clear raised seal. “Ah-ha! Must be a forgery.” cried the Birthers The photos of the COLB clearly showed a seal. So the cry changed to either “Ah-ha! A different forgery.” or “We don't know what document that is.”
Regardless, if the seal was clearly visible in the scans, then Birthers would just smoothly segue on to their next conspiracy theory. Birthers are about emotionally pleasing fantasies, not facts or rational analysis.
>>“The stupid... It still burns...”
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>Well that’s what happens when you put your head up Obama’s ass.
Oooooooooooooowwww and Eeeeeewwwwwwww, all at the same time. - LOL
Are you admitting the earlier one was a forgery?
Obama’s front groups disagree on the hospital name.
The serial number conflicts with those issued just a
few days from the date on this one.
For you to accept that this is not a forgery requires you to suspend belief on all the conflicts it contains.
Since you have suspended any belief of these conflicts, you have to be a Barry Soetero follower.
You are drinking the Koolaid.
In answer to the question: “Is the Lack of an Embossed Seal the Key?” No. On the birth certificate issue, the key is that Hawaii calls what Obama posted, “a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth”.
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html
On serious issues that intelligent conservatives might argue, I’d say the key is our thirteen trillion dollar debt. There are further serious issues that smart people might reasonably consider ‘key’, but this birther garbage is not among them.
These conflicts are either things you can't explain because of lack of understanding, or things with reasonable explanations you choose to ignore. It takes a leap of the imagination to turn anomalies into a massive conspiracy involving faked documents.
So you signed up Oct. 3, 2010 and have posted 73 times about ONLY the birther/eligibility issue and you want others to stop wasting their time with this subject?
Not one single other topic have you posted about. Not one.
I guess you are not such an intelligent, smart conservative since you can’t seem to stop wasting your time on this insignificant issue.
Duh. That’s the point.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
And no.
Your ignorance does not mandate any failings on my part.
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